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    marye
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    Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!

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  • June 22, 2009 - 5:45am
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    DannyC. Reread your post from October, and the responses to it. Why'd you ask me in particular? Can you be more specific about your insight into how Deadheads really think?********************************** Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. Mark Twain
  • June 21, 2009 - 9:23pm
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    Hey wow.
    Hey wow. I've been meditating on my previous post to the message board last October. The result is, after I've been labeled as meanspirited and paranoid, probably called a few other things, this darkstar isnt putting anymore energy into shows around here and hasnt been. Who cares? Does it really matter? No, do you care? I dont care. Does anyone care. Tigerlily, do you wanna care about any of this? The replies I got were an insight as to how deadheads can really think,feel, act and can be ,generally, towards anyone they are talking with,It doesnt seem to matter who people are. Thats just a heads up.Why should I put any energy into this, when people are like that? The same as anywhere else.Which is what I wanted to say in the first place. I'm not supporting any of this. Who cares. Thats my peace.
  • December 22, 2008 - 9:16am
    marye
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    brilliant, Mr. P!
    a classic...
  • December 21, 2008 - 9:10pm
    Mr. Pid
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    Dead Horses?
    Post vote whining is easy to doBut the pols are elected, and chosen by you McCain and Obama, they dealt different hands The counting's all over, you know where it stands Dead horses, they just won't go away Dead, dead horses, just won't go away I see that some aren't pleased how it went Now they've decided they still need to vent No calm acceptance of the new status quo It might just be better to just let it go Dead horses, they just won't go away Dead, dead horses, just won't go away I know we all dreamed the best for our guy But only one wins. I'm sure you know why. The choice has been made. It's time to move on. Let's just be happy the last clowns are gone. Dead horses, they just won't go away Dead, dead horses, they'll quiet someday. Dead horses, they just won't go away Dead, dead horses, they'll quiet someday. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
  • December 21, 2008 - 8:25pm
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    Dead Horses
    Yay Oroboros-you did very well......but I'm glad that grdaed73 agrees w/ me....this forum has to die.....it's like trying to revive a Dead Horse....well, like Marye says above......I'll just skip over it & be on my merry way! xoxox Gypsy Cowgirl
  • December 21, 2008 - 1:46pm
    johnman
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    gosh, marye
    why do you insist on making sense?
  • December 21, 2008 - 1:02pm
    marye
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    freezing this topic
    frankly, I'm reluctant to freeze a topic people still want to talk in, particularly when they do so as well as Oroboros just did. I would say, rather, as it says in the topic header, that if you're not into this topic, just let it go by. Thanks!
  • December 21, 2008 - 12:58pm
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    heehee
    bill clinton, attilla the hun, and st. christopher walk into a bar.........
  • December 21, 2008 - 8:20am
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    Very wise words indeed
    A beautiful and eloquent post, Oroboros. Those ideals that you layed out are what makes our country, America, a great country and an inspiration to much of the world. I believe you are expressing the hope and dreams the founding fathers put in motion. America is a work in progress. And the foundation must be strong, as I believe it is, and we must build upon those ideals, and work together to shape this country in order to form a more perfect union. We must unite and realize we are one people, and reach out to each other to both teach and learn, and then we will all grow, and the country will grow. If you look at the ideals that Oroboros has talked about here, as he said, we are really all in agreement, so the foundation is there. So let's all work together to build America into a better place brick by brick. I am happy that we have a leader that has assembled a staff that is from all sides of the spectrum in order to form a more perfect union.
  • December 21, 2008 - 5:19am
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    Absolutely brilliant
    post, Oroboros! Fine piece indeed.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!
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particularly cracks me up in this context because, its many fine qualities aside, we read the darn thing sophomore year in Catholic high school in 1962. Say what you will about Catholic school, particularly in that era--lord knows I do--but they generally encouraged you to read, say, Huckleberry Finn. I guess they never even got The Three Musketeers in Wasilla, or it would have been on the list too. Apparently they had Lysistrata (good for them!) but not the Metamorphoses? Weird. Maybe we should send them some books.
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The Deadheads for Wasilla Book Drive! Bet we could collect multiple copies of most of those books. I'm in!
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Not. It's out of print again and going for a "low" price on Amazon of $125.
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marye said :>the prophet Jeremiah. The prophet Elijah. And a whole lot of other revered >Old Testament types : interestinger and interestinger. for those not familiar with jeremiah: Jer17:7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is. Jer17:8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. Jer17:10 I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. Jer17:12 A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary. any typos are mine. old jer, new jer, whatevah, i like it. f.i. -listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul- r.hunter
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Out of print? But you can have it for the low price of? Sounds like more subliminal control, and there's nothing more controling than subliminal control. Kinda like monitoring you behind the scenes, rather than the "your bags will be checked at the door, you must have a ticket to enter". Used to feel that when you got in, you were free ( unless you infringed on someones freedom). Thats the bgp thing that was very cool.
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it goes into the collector market and all bets are off. Unfortunately.
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Do you mean this? If so it is still there on Amazon, maybe you are looking at the hardcoverGarcia: A Signpost To New Space by Jerry Garcia, Charles Reich, and Jann Wenner (Paperback - Jul 29, 2003) Buy new: $16.00 $10.8832 Used & new from $6.94 If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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that actually didn't come up when I searched. That's really good news, as, with all due respect to my book-writing friends, if you have to have one book on the desert island, that's the one. I lucked into a hardback copy in a used bookstore for really cheap when I was a new Deadhead in 1981, and have never found another. I've periodically found paperbacks and usually given them away again, though I have one now. thank you!
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I have to applogize. A buddy that I sent that list to said that the list is an 'urban legend' on Sarah Palin. While she did request info on how to ban books at the library, and she did get into a power struggle with the librarian, he contends that this list of books that she proposed banning is not accurate. So mea culpa with that list and I will try to be more skeptical before I pass on info from the internet.
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Never heard of this, got to get a copy. Sounds like a must have.Thanks marye and HalR.
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I haven't heard of this book "Sign Post..." but it's going on my Christmas List along with the Egypt package. Thanks everyone! "The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer." - Ken Kesey
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thanks for the correction. I'm kinda glad; not that I'm planning to vote for her, but that really was over the top. Thanks for checking the facts.
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is a real stunner. It was out of print for eons. I was just talking about it to the Store folks because it's not there at the moment and they're all Whoa! we gotta get this in stock. So stay tuned on that front, but get it from Amazon if you just can't wait! Single paragraphs used to keep me up all night with an exploding brain. And then there's the photos by Annie Leibovitz. One in particular of Jer and MG and Sunshine and baby Annabelle, who has her daddy's eyes bigtime.
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from the Workingman's/Beauty period, and is a bit replete with hippie-isms of the time. But, persevere. One of the things that's great about Reich as an interviewer in this context is that unlike so many interviewers, he's not afraid to look like a dork and be out of his depth, and as a result he elicits some amazing stuff. After all, how many book-length Jer interviews are there...
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We are all very fortunate to live in her era. Don't judge who she takes photos of or who she takes photos for, she is a unique, insightful, and very induvidualistist person with a gift that will live on throughout the centuries. She is an artist whom I respect for her no boundries aproach. Takes on many different subjects and makes you see something in them you would never expect, and alway's deeper and more meaningful than any way you have seen that subject before. The purist definition of what a photography artist should do. Thank you Annie. You have shaped our world. peace,pk
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Well with that urban legend about Sarah Palin you were the dragon that got caught swallowing his own tale. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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brilliant! Agree re Annie L., PK.
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what about the cartoon with the head up it's a__.........about the same as the dragon, I'd say.....xoxoxo Gypsy Cowgirl
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I'm just hoping we make it to election and inauguration day. Don't like what I'm seeing. Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good ol GD Oro, thanks to for the update. After reading that I was wowwed. This can't be true. I read how to eat fried worms in like 8th grade Lit or something. Some of the others seemed to me to just be not believable. Anyway whatever. For all though complancency let 9-11 happen, and freedom is not free, believe me I have first hand experience on this one. I've had music never stopped playing in my head all day. Maybe I should re-arrange to the madness never stops. I think there is way to much drama in this election. Maybe the only reason I'm writing this or having any input is cause of it's deadland relation, which for some reason is just my favorite place to be. I kinda think that of course musicians are quite influential. Rock n Roll should be nuetral. Obama seems more of a celebrity than a presidential candidate. Hmm is there a difference. Both have something benificial to bring to the table. Though it may directly affect my well being. I'll still be here and should get an all expense paid trip to asscrackistan within the next year. I just glad the boys and bros are playing. I came across a child of god he was walking along the road and asked him where are you going? this he told me.
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Good ol GDStand back, stand back Stand back, stand back Stand back, stand back Stand back, stand back Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. Where are you goin’ to What are you gonna do Do you think that it will be easy Do you think that it will be pleasin’, hey Stand back, what’d you say Stand back, I won’t pay Stand back, I’d rather play Stand back It’s my freedom Ah, don’t worry ’bout me, babe I got to be free, babe Hey Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. Stand back, dietician Stand back, television Stand back, politician Stand back, mortician Oh, we got to get away Living in the u.s.a. Come on baby, owwww I see a yellow man, a brown man A white man, a red man Lookin’ for uncle sam To give you a helpin’ hand But everybody’s kickin’ sand Even politicians We’re living in a plastic land Somebody give me a hand, yeah Oh, we’re gonna make it, baby Oh, we’re going to shake it, baby Oh, don’t break it Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Come on baby, hey Hey, hey In the u.s.a., babe yeah Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. Don’t worry ’bout me, babe Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. Living in the u.s.a. Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. I got to be free Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. Come on try it, you can buy it, you can leave it next week, yeah Somebody give me a cheeseburger
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The good old Steve Miller, back in the day.
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I saw Steve Miller Band a couple of times in the 70'sDoot do do do do doot doot.....ahh the memories with my high school friends :) such fun!
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I am just so tired of the rah rah rah coming from both sides in this and every campaign in recent memory. We act like we are at a football game and our team must win at all costs. Any serious discussion of the issues leads to the sad conclusion that we have two lousy candidates for the most important job in the world. McCain might have been the right guy 8 years ago but now?? And Palin???? Beyond scary. Obama - his hypocrisy regarding the state of the economy and what brought us here is close to criminal and his naivete regarding foreign affairs is just as scary as Palin. Heaven Help the Fool - because it's going to be us. ------------------ Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right....
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indeed this is the scariest election in all my years! I'm not sure if I even want to vote this year. I will probably write someone in! Like my husband..... Ken Asroff for president!
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Good ol GD Too bad Zappa is gone remember the ol Zappa for pres time. Hey how about Tommy Chong. This would be a good choice. Being an actor is a prerequisite for a political career isn't it. Thats my choice Tommy Chong for pres. How bout Felix the cat for VP. Wavy Gravy for speaker of the house. David Crosby Sec of Def. and a bunch of us as the secs for everything else. We all love to travel, meet knew people, enjoy a wide variety of experiences and conciousness the perfect ambassadors. DEAD FREAKS UNITE. Deadheads for Deadheads it's a win win situation Weir in like flynn for 2012. Who's with me?
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I saw most of the debate, and I thought that other guy wasn't so bad. what other guy, cc???!!! you mean Obama or McCane?? nah, that other dude, he seemed to be the smartest; man's name is Jim Leher. ( -; as an aside note: Jim Leher as written some really cool FICTION. I especially dug, “The Franklin Affair” always cool to read a book when you know the city setting, in this case lots of local Philadelphia places... http://www.pbs.org/newshour/aboutus/bio_lehrer.html peace.
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I think this year I was so down in the dumps in terms of presidential candidates. You had Barack Obama, who must be the worst person we could possibly elect as president. The man hasn't a clue. He is nothing but a wind-sock, and a hand wringer. His favorite thing to change is his mind. And when he picked Mr. "Everythin-that-is-wrong-with-Washigton" Biden, I just said, get me out of here. Then we have McCain who is a sort of ornery, and aggravating at times, even though he will probably be the best in terms of reform and change. But that wash't enough for me. I was to the point of having to vote for Ron Paul, when McCain picked Sarah Palin. That's when I said, YES ... maybe McCain will win, and get ill, then she can take over. That would be good. So I'm voting for Mc-Palin this time around. And you can be sure that I will NOT ATTEND any Bobby/Phil reunion if the proceeds are going to OBama. I wouldn't give that guy a red cent. Greg SC
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Having witnessed Republican bullshit since 1972, I'd say enough is enough. Sarah Palin has no qualification to become Vice President of the United States: McCain is just another rubber stamp for Dubya's failed policies and wars. If you look back at history, you'd think folks would've learned from Nixon's attempted cover-up of an illegal break-in, Spiro Agnew's criminal activities, James Rhodes order to shoot at unarmed students in Kent, Ohio, Tom DeLay's Texas corruption, Larry Craig's airport antics, Alaskan Ted Steven's accepting gratuities, and the list goes on and on. So don't even try to rationalize even more Republican crap, because we're not going to take it. Barack Obama may not be perfect: who is? He has a progressive vision, can articulate intelligently, has been married once, to a wonderful wife and is a devoted father. What can you say about the family affairs of the other candidates? I rest my case.
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I am absolutely terrified by McCain and Palin. Sarah Palin is a piece of work man. We don't need her anywhere near the presidency. McCain too!
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No need to sear Gr8fulTed. This whole banking failure is due to the Democrats roadblocking any regulation of Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac for the last 6 years. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Charles Shumer, and the whole bunch of Democratic zeros have cost me tons of money in my 401K. Barack Obama is tied to ACORN, a Chicago Politics organiztion that has pled guilty numerous time to voter Fraud. If that is the kind of politics you want, then you vote for the man. Even his chief financial advisor is the CEO of Fanny Mae. Give me a break! He is a zero, his campaign is zero, and he will do zero. If that is the kind of politics you want, then you vote for the man. But I will not ever vote for any such person. Sarah Palin easily qualifies for the job of VP. She will hopefully be let out of her cage Thursday night at the debate. Greg SC
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I wouldn't let your Republican buddies off the hook so easily for the current finacial mess. There may be a Democratic majority, but not much of one. It's hard to embrace confidence in any of them, regardless of affiliation. I'll vote for change, not more of the same.
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Gr8ful Ted!!! Absolutely agree with your first statement. And can you please explain exactly how you believe that "Sarah Palin easily qualifies for the job of VP" GregSC? am curious. ********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Good day Tiger Lilly: Are you across the pond? What do you think of us knuckleheads haggling about politics? We need a strong 3rd party to stir the pot. ..." one man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving way too slow..."
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Gr8ful Ted Why are no Democrats asking for an investigation? The reason is that it is their mess. Go back and watch the CSPAN tapes. Barney Frank, Charles Shumer, and the whole lot of the Dems singlehandedly defeated any oversight legislation on Fanny and Freddie. They have cost me dearly on my 401K. These people are shameless; they are guilty of destroying the economy, and you guys are going to vote for more of it. This has been going on since 2003 with the Dems. They have destroyed my portfolio, and must be launched in November. Sarah Palin is qualified for VP, as she has more executive experience than B.O., and is a Washington outsider. All insiders must go. Greg SC
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I AM across the pond, and I AM registered to vote to do my civic duty. Can't bitch if I don't vote-or that is my philosophy anyhow. But very interesting question Ted, about what I think from over here, because moving to Europe way back when, and becoming part of life here;has certainly caused me to see American politics, and also discussion about politics-with a completely different perspective.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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but if you don't vote for Dems your vote won't mean shit.
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http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/foreclosure-phil.html Wonder where Phill Gramm is now? After hearing that dismal tune, check-out the Keating 5. Maybe our incumbents can figure out something good to repair the finances we're all in. If you have any cash positions, it's probably a good time to pick up some cheap stocks ..." one man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving way too slow..."
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Good ol GD Can relate to your perspective, I lived in Italy for 10 years. Their's are quite diff. Yes and can't bitch if you don't vote I lived that way most of my life, but actually don't care much about politics. I honestly haven't noticed much difference between presidents DEM or REP and anything changed. Oh yea the Berlin wall deal that was cool, go go awsome hair guy. Or since 2003 I have spent 30+ months in the mid east. But I don't point fingers at the white house for that. The length is getting a little tiresome. Could just sum up the whole thing as one big shit sammich which we all get to take a bite. Though must say some things are better in Iraq than they were last year and the one before and the one before that and so on. So again I say doesn't matter whose in the whitehouse we will stiil be at war for some time to come. and the kids they dance and shake them bones.
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Happy Trails I tend to think that this election is sort of a waste. It really doesn't matter who you vote for, as they are all a bunch of people to WATCH OUT FOR. Just check out their personal wealth when they take office, then look at their personal wealth three years later. It usually shoots up from about 100k to several million. Where does the money come from? Certainly not their salaries. These people are all snakes in the grass who take whatever money the taxpayers give them, then spend at least ten percent more. Then they tell you that you need to up the ante because you are not paying your fair share. Give me a break. They steal from you, then destroy the banks so we lose most of what we have in the stock market, then the very same yo yo's who got us into this mess, say they can fix it with more of our money. Whenever I see Barack Obama, Barney Frank, or Chris Dodd, talk about how they are going to fix this thing, I envision Cardinal Law in Boston saying, Hey, I can fix the pedophile problem in my diocese. These politicians are no different. That is why when it comes to the remaining Dead members doing a fundraiser for that zero Obama, it makes me quake in my boots. I guess Phil, Bobby, and all write excellent music, but are not the sharpest tacks in the box when it comes to politics. Maybe they should try living in common folk USA. I think they have been corrupted by the Hollywood know nothings. Greg SC
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I never have before but think I will this time. Now that everything is broken and spiraling out of control, they can go ahaed and fix it. He's gonna get the courts to award it to him again anyway on some technicality or if theres WMD ....no just kidding. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Walk into splintered sunlight Inch your way through dead dreams to another land" Robert Hunter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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right there with ya buddy, there used to be a Christian community in Iraq, ever since the apostle Peter wrote his epistle there, but now it's gone. Let's all ride this thing out together and show em' how to love! ht
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Yes, I've followed that one, as well. I believe they are Chaldean Catholics, who have been driven from their homeland --which was their homeland long before the Mohammedans took it -- and are now scattered all over the world because of the Muslims. I despise this war, and have despised it from the beginning. The Islamists in Iraq actually needed a guy like Sadaam Husein to keep them in order. They do not know what to do with freedom. The only religion that has its own self regulating principles for a peaceful world, is Christianity, and more specific, Catholicism, throughout history. The only reason many States adopted Christianity as a state religion was because when it was followed, peace was the way of the land. These Muslims are diametrically the opposite. May God bless the Chaldeans, but at this point, if we just pull out and leave, like Obama wants, then we leave Iraq a sewer hole with no hope at all. Hey, when you break a window, you need to fix it; when you rip a country apart by war, you'd better not leave til you fix it. Greg SC
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Would be very very careful Greg SC. That comment "these Muslims" not being peaceful is not only dangerous, but wrong. Just gotta look back in history, Guy.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Good ol GD Iraq still has some christian communities mostly in the north, the city of Kirkuk is diverse with muslim, catholic. Hussien ruled by fear, murder, expolitation. The country is in much better condition than it was in march 2003. Though things are better for the people I personaly believe they will trash everything once we completly pull out. Maliki delays his own responsibilty for Iraq everyday. the Iraqi people kill each other on a daily basis through murder, bombings and random shootings. Their police and Iraq army are daily car bomb targets here in Mosul. The people just don't seem to really give a shit about prosperity, progress or peace. they will steal you blind in a heartbeat share tea with you in the day and rocket you at night. none are to be trusted. The american soldier puts his life on the line here everyday and the people we are here to train and help don't care. Even if Oblablama get elected we would still not be able to completly leave Iraq for quite sometime and we are being diverted to build up in asscrackistan which has no real end in sight as well. As of today 4,176 Americans killed in Iraq. I really would like to see a positive lost lasting outcome for Iraq so that freedom rings and that so many brothers have not died for nothing. War sucks but is an invitable part of reality.
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when Christianity is adopted or forced as a way of life on a people as a state religion.? Like the crusades? Like when if you don't believe in our way and follow the old ways of being in tune with the flow of the earth we will call you pagans or if you are an independent woman and/or a midwife or an herbalist you are a witch and we burn you at the stake. Christianity has an incredibly bloody history, especially of forcing itself on others. I am not saying other religions don't too and I know many amazing Christians who are very kind and loving people. But don't deny the blood we all wade in as a result of the one true belief as many interpret as Christianity. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Some folks trust in reason.Others trust in might. I don't trust in nothin' But I know it come out right. Gone are the days we stopped to decide........where we should go......we just ride.
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Hal R Actually, if enough people say the same thing, eventually everyone believes it. We live in different times. The Crusades started out as a valiant effort to win back the holy Land for Christ, but the travel was long, and many died along the way. The people who usually made it were the strong ones, all brawn, and no brain. But that was a time of knights, honor, and glory. Of course in our day it is easy to look back and see it all as crazy. But to look at history, Islam was spread by the sword. And it has had a continual history of terror and killing. Even in our day, the governments of France and England tried to be nice, and invite them into their countries in great numbers. Today they wish they didn't. These people are uncontrollable, and are demanding Sharia law as the standard rule in these countries. If they don't get their way, they terrorize at night, burning cars and buses, setting aflame whole buildings. Now even the archbishop of Canterbury is calling for Sharia law, to calm the place down. It is like inviting a bear cub into your house when it is young, but eventually it kills the home owner. Christianity is a religion of peace; only when it is not followed, does the terror begin. We need strong leadership in our country; a hand wringer will be trampled upon, and we will eventually have another 9/11. That I do not want to see. Greg SC