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    marye
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    Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!

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  • June 22, 2009 - 5:45am
    TigerLilly
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    DannyC. Reread your post from October, and the responses to it. Why'd you ask me in particular? Can you be more specific about your insight into how Deadheads really think?********************************** Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. Mark Twain
  • June 21, 2009 - 9:23pm
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    Hey wow.
    Hey wow. I've been meditating on my previous post to the message board last October. The result is, after I've been labeled as meanspirited and paranoid, probably called a few other things, this darkstar isnt putting anymore energy into shows around here and hasnt been. Who cares? Does it really matter? No, do you care? I dont care. Does anyone care. Tigerlily, do you wanna care about any of this? The replies I got were an insight as to how deadheads can really think,feel, act and can be ,generally, towards anyone they are talking with,It doesnt seem to matter who people are. Thats just a heads up.Why should I put any energy into this, when people are like that? The same as anywhere else.Which is what I wanted to say in the first place. I'm not supporting any of this. Who cares. Thats my peace.
  • December 22, 2008 - 9:16am
    marye
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    brilliant, Mr. P!
    a classic...
  • December 21, 2008 - 9:10pm
    Mr. Pid
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    Dead Horses?
    Post vote whining is easy to doBut the pols are elected, and chosen by you McCain and Obama, they dealt different hands The counting's all over, you know where it stands Dead horses, they just won't go away Dead, dead horses, just won't go away I see that some aren't pleased how it went Now they've decided they still need to vent No calm acceptance of the new status quo It might just be better to just let it go Dead horses, they just won't go away Dead, dead horses, just won't go away I know we all dreamed the best for our guy But only one wins. I'm sure you know why. The choice has been made. It's time to move on. Let's just be happy the last clowns are gone. Dead horses, they just won't go away Dead, dead horses, they'll quiet someday. Dead horses, they just won't go away Dead, dead horses, they'll quiet someday. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
  • December 21, 2008 - 8:25pm
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    Dead Horses
    Yay Oroboros-you did very well......but I'm glad that grdaed73 agrees w/ me....this forum has to die.....it's like trying to revive a Dead Horse....well, like Marye says above......I'll just skip over it & be on my merry way! xoxox Gypsy Cowgirl
  • December 21, 2008 - 1:46pm
    johnman
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    gosh, marye
    why do you insist on making sense?
  • December 21, 2008 - 1:02pm
    marye
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    freezing this topic
    frankly, I'm reluctant to freeze a topic people still want to talk in, particularly when they do so as well as Oroboros just did. I would say, rather, as it says in the topic header, that if you're not into this topic, just let it go by. Thanks!
  • December 21, 2008 - 12:58pm
    johnman
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    heehee
    bill clinton, attilla the hun, and st. christopher walk into a bar.........
  • December 21, 2008 - 8:20am
    pkpotter
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    Very wise words indeed
    A beautiful and eloquent post, Oroboros. Those ideals that you layed out are what makes our country, America, a great country and an inspiration to much of the world. I believe you are expressing the hope and dreams the founding fathers put in motion. America is a work in progress. And the foundation must be strong, as I believe it is, and we must build upon those ideals, and work together to shape this country in order to form a more perfect union. We must unite and realize we are one people, and reach out to each other to both teach and learn, and then we will all grow, and the country will grow. If you look at the ideals that Oroboros has talked about here, as he said, we are really all in agreement, so the foundation is there. So let's all work together to build America into a better place brick by brick. I am happy that we have a leader that has assembled a staff that is from all sides of the spectrum in order to form a more perfect union.
  • December 21, 2008 - 5:19am
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    Absolutely brilliant
    post, Oroboros! Fine piece indeed.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!
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that Obama getting elected is more or less like the Berlin Wall coming down in terms of a classic photo op triumph over the forces of darkness. However, as we have seen, the fall of the Wall didn't bring paradise to Germany and it's not going to miraculously make our problems go away either. What it might do is give us a better shot at fixing them, and certainly of getting our own lives back free of surveillance, intimidation, and infringement of our liberties.
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To Greg SC & Johnman - don't sweat it so much. I understand some worry - it's all different. But read: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf My guess is things won't be exact, but we should all hold EVERY politician accountable. Finally - the whole socialism thing...get the @#(*$& over it. The lousy (but necessary) bailout that passed is more socialist than any program Obama wants to start. He is not for National Health Care (that was Hillary, for those paying attention). READ. ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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i agree with you on accountability......i'm just frustrated, worried about my home, my child, etc...thats why i say we'll just hafta wait and see....either way this election was an historic event
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Johnman. FURTHERMORE - I'll take you up on the cookie & beer!!! I'll be crackin' a nice Stone IPA when I get home today! And I loves me all sortsa cookies!!! Mmmmmmmmmmm!!! PS - check this out, Johnman: http://www.archive.org/details/theCAUSE_Halloween2008_PDs My band from 11/1/08 right after the Rat Dog show in Munhall, PA....hope ya like it! ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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Actually, I am going to cautiously, and I mean cautiously, sit back and watch to see what this guy is up to. Will he surprise me and be a centrist leader? Well, he might, but my gut tells me the weird stuff will begin as soon as it looks like we are beginning to come out of this economy. Until the economy begins to perk, though, I think he will be careful not to cause it to worsen. Because now it is his, and his alone. The buck stops with the president. We found that out with Bush. In other words, the Dems had the house and senate the last 2 years, but all we kept hearing was "eight years of Bush," when in reality it was 6 years of Repubs, 2 years of Dems. So from this point on I do not want to hear any nonsense about George Bush, when it is Obama, and only Obama. Remember the Buck stops with the guy on top. So, how has Obama done the last two days? Well he drove the stock market down 10% for starters; it is, however, up a little today. In the long run we will see how businesses like it with this guy at the top. Greg SC
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"Well he drove the stock market down 10% for starters".... Yeah, he marched right in there and said, "STOP BUYING NOW!" The market fluctuations are a result of a whole lotta stuff, not just the choice of president. Come on. Just because Bush got blamed for a lot of stuff, don't go aimlessly swinging. The economy is in the crapper LARGELY because of the Iraq War spenditure - as well as all the crap that the lovely Mr. Greenspan ol' Slick Willie left lingering around and W and his crew neglected to repair. It's a combined effort. I think things JUST MAY turn around when we stop spending 23gazillion dollars a minute in Iraq. Just my opinion.... ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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Remember the Current Occupant has 73 more days to spend in Washington, D.C. After President-elect Obama moves into the White House, the Texas Tumblweed can return to lassoing armadillos. Meanwhile, take advantage of good buying opportunities in the market: Sirius, GE, Ford, GM, PG. We all should be praying that no serious environmental attacks are waged upon our forests, coastlines and arctic ecosystems.
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how dare you people come in here and make sense?? what's the big idea?? i thought this was supposed to be about politics?
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hey Pap the 23 gazillion keeps me in beans and bullets, ha ha. yea this war deal is getting a little long I've been directly involved since 01.What year is it? Anyway seems like the markets all over the world are taken a dump, guess there all related. I think the Iraq Afghan spenditure is around 420 gazillion. And don't really think the people of these nations give a shit they suck off us as much as they can. Was reading some stuff in Stars and Stripes about how much the military, all brances spends on fuel to keep this deal going. i can't remember the exact numbers but it was in the bazillions, in a country with huge oil reserves who don't fund any of their own stuff. Thought wars would boost an economy, think that it did for awhile but now were at a stablization period in Iraq and is costing us a shit load and the people were helping don't chip in or give a flying f. We'll all see in a year or so when Iraq takes full control of there country it will turn back to a dictatorship and remain the asshole of the world. Ted. believe he'll be going back to do some goat roping too.
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how many zeros in a gazillion? dare I ask, how many zeros in a bazillion? ( -; buy low, sell "high" takes on a whole new meaning on a deadhead board. yuk yuk yuk. ( -: peace.
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hahahahha...now thats funny, CCj
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so, like when EF Hutton told me to buy low and sell high, I thought it was, you know, like an invitation to spark a doob.
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Pappy, Just wanted to give you a taste of the silliness we've heard from Obama during this past year. You'd think that George Bush ran the House, Senate, and Oval Office the way he was blamed for everything. But hey, I guess the buck stops with the guy on top. So since we heard how George Bush caused the stock market to crash, then we can assume that the market balked at the Obama win. Hey, fair is fair. Greg SC
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Greg - I tried to point out the reasons why I thought the market was the way it is. I didn't blame W for everything. Most educated people don't either. BTW - a gazillion is a kabillion millions. ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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I just got gas in NJ for $2.03 a gal. WooHoo it's coming down, it was $4.00 this summer.I like to see it under $1, now that would be sweet :)
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We're under $1.90, approaching $1.80 Gr8fulmom.... think it will stay low for Christmas?
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I happen to love all that social stuff. I go to the church of the public library. I love social programs (Public Health has been there for me), public parks and beaches. I love these public roads I drive around on and public buildings - museums, aquariums, the public squares. Kids need public places to grow. It's one world now. And it has been since airtravel and tv blew open those doors. I think a lot of people all over the world think we need a new take on things. Let's get eachother's basic needs met. We aren't dancin' in the street for nothing. We're dancin in the street 'cause it's good.
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THANK YOU. ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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for the first time since 1964. We are one of the two states (Maine is the other) that will split their electoral college votes. Nebraskas's split is based on who wins in each of NE's 3 congressional districts. But our votes did count on the electoral college distribution, even though McCain took the state. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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Montana, Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, and even Missouri went for the Republican candidate: McCain is not known for being a conservative. With such strong agricultural roots, what issues keep our neighbors from voting Blue?
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Gr8full Ted, just too far from the blue ocean......only reason I can figure out....although I thought Missouri went blue, but haven't checked lately....oh, well, we're all one now hopefully-red, white & blue....The United States-hope the deep south can figure that one out.....& that's not meant as derogatory on the deep southxoxo Gypsy Cowgirl
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I don't get the split the electoral vote thing?? If McCaine took the state, what was the split? just curious. as to the other states that went red, some folks just listen to / believe sound bites / mis-information / bull shit. there was some ignoramus on the radio, saying he wouldn't vote for Obama because his middle name was "Hussein" on the ABC news, I think it was, an older, crew cut white guy, who believed the Dems are 'socialism'
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Maine and Nebraska. I don't know how Maine does it. In Nebr the winner of the total popular vote gets 2 of the 5 electoral votes right away. Then the rest of those votes are awarded by who wins in each of our 3 congressional districts. Those 3 discricts are Lincoln (and surrounding area), Omaha (and surrounding area), and then the rest of rural Nebraka. So Obama won the Omaha area so he got 1 electoral college vote, and he was ahead in the Lincoln area but didn't prevail so McCain got 1 electoral vote, and then rural NE was overwhelminly McCain, so he then he got another vote. Nebraska's electoral vote total is McCain 4 and Obama 1. We almost carried the day in Lincoln for Obama and that would have been another vote, but we didn't quite make it. I am opposed to the electoral college but I believe that if the votes are split, then the process gets this republic a little closer to a democracy. But not close enough for me. Abolish the electoral college and popular vote should win the Presidency. Nebraska lesson and pontificating complete (for now). ;o} The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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hal???!!!! thankx for the explanation on Nebraska's split vote, brother. that does indeed seem more fair, and I agree, we'd probably be better off with no electoral college thing, makes it look like a landslide, which I don't think it really was. not to mention the fact that W. wouldn't a been there in the first place had real votes actually been counted correctly and fairly. peace, I remain, your "pal cc JOEy"
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saying I'm Hal is more of a honour than I deserve, brother. Hal's a "thinker" me? well, me; I'm just a "drinker" ( -; peace.
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I did have hal on the brain when I wrote that (and was in a hurry to get to the football game today. And as you say about the thinkin' and the drinkin', I must say I dabble in both. One better than the other and I will let you (and others figure it out). Practice, practice, practice. ;o} The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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thinking is ok, if done in moderation. peace.
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politics.......bleah!!
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I think it would be awesome if Governor Jesse Ventura was given the postion of Secretary of Defense!
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"Thinking is fine if done in moderation" ccjoe You're quacking me up with that guy! ********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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........like Gr8fulTed's comment though....it's all a bunch of #$#%$$$$$$$$$$$$$$xoxxoo Gypsy Cowgirl
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As most of you know, Jim Martin is in a smear fest runoff election down here in Georgia. If Obama voters truly want change, we need to vote for Jim Martin for US Senate to give Barack the tools he needs to get things done. The GOP is pouring everthing they have into the state because they are scared to death that we will turn Georgia blue again. In fact McCain himself was in town last Thursday campaigning with Chambliss. I am attending the Bill Clinton/ Jim Martin event at Clark Atlanta University tomorrow. I am worried that after 6 years of Saxby Chambliss voting with W 90% of the time, voting against children's health care, wasting time making English the State's official language, etc, etc, we are going to have a tough time getting out the vote for a runoff. Any possitive vibes are apprectiated. http://www.martinforsenate.com/ Peace - David
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Can I Be A Deadhead and Still Think Big Government is Bad? I was thinking back to the not-so halcyon days of my youth. I don't remember my older hippy friends being pro-government. It was more a movement of mutual support, helping each other in small communes and getting back to a less-is-more mentality (if we ever really 'had' that). Now that I'm a hard working special education teacher, can I still be a Deadhead and not necessarily believe in and trust the Democratic party or the Obama presidency until I see actual decisions made, and acknowlegement of the responsibility for the good and bad results? I just don't see the answer to what ails us in politics, Democrat or Republican. You guys inclusive of people like me, too? Drewster58 "The Xeric Xenophile"
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The combined history (what little we know of it) and emerging antics of The Øne and his henchmen are making the Clinton's look like a bunch of pikers! Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it! It's unfortunate that the remaining members allowed themselves to get tainted in this ridiculous exercise of a gradual and blatant attempt at the dismantling of America. "There is a case for telling the truth; there is a case for avoiding the scandal; but there is no possible defense for the man who tells the scandal, but does not tell the truth." - GK Chesterton, 7/18/1908
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are you on about Pajak? Have NO idea of what you are trying to say, cept that it seems to me to be something negative. "THe One and his henchmen" "ridiculous exersize of a gradual and blatant attempt at the dismantling of America"???? Too obtuse to know what this is supposed to mean perhaps.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Thanks for the breath of fresh air TigerLilly, tired of the negative,on with the positive.
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I find it a bit hard to fathom that folks who dance to the lyrics "spinning a set the stars through which the tattered tales of axis roll about the waxen wind of never set to motion in the unbecoming round about the reason hardly matters nor the wise through which the stars were set in spin" find my simple little post too obtuse to interpret in light of emerging events on a thread about politricks. I apologize for being too obtuse. Let me rephrase it - Øbama, The Øne chosen by (I'm guesstimating) more than 95% of the posters on this thread, is turning out to be a crooked dealer, surrounded by crooked dealers, whose crookedness was ignored and even denied by an obsequious press. They will now be given carte blanche to dismantle the foundations of this nation - economic foundations, spiritual foundations, and cultural foundations - the only nation on earth that could provide the economic, spiritual and cultural bubble required to spawn The Grateful Dead. I am sorry that the remaining members of the Grateful Dead saw fit to get involved. Is that clearer? Again, I apologize for being obtuse. Politics is a dirty business; not a nice, kind or positive business. If the reality of that is too hard too handle, than this web site may not have been the place to introduce a realm that engenders characters like Øbama and McCain. As the layers of the Øbama Ønion are peeled away, we may all be just a wee bit sorry The Boys played a fundraiser for The Øne. "The fore runner radiates wild help up far now, gun ships pass so far Pass me a vote, silly, and how we did it all over Did it all over, did it all over the road" -Revolutionary Hamstrung Blues
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certainly can't say you don't have an opinion, now can we?..........(pssst...........I did'nt vote for him.......)
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another hit dude! hell, eat the whole sheet !
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SONGS TO FILL THE AIR"............sorry to see you're still squabbling....right on grdaed73! Can't please all the people all the time.....We're all entitled to freedom of the press, expression, thoughts.-at least that's what we've been brainwashed to believe.......xoxox Gypsy Cowgirl
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that I agree with Pajak's dire assessment but I certainly do respect his right to voice it. The velocity and ferocity of Obama's PR campaign to document non-association with Mr. Soon-To-Be Ex-Governor of Illinois is a bit disquieting, though. Besides, is there anyone left alive who's surprised that political appointments from Chicago are for sale to the highest bidder? Hello? Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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if brain-washing is the same as brain-dry cleaning? ' course, that may involve far too many (or not enough) chemicals..........and why is it that when people have opinions that vary from the opinions of others, they are assumed to be brain-washed?......could be the "dry cleaning" thing..or......uh........ok, ok....i'll stop
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I was just saying I thought we were all brainwashed....dry cleaning is a good possiblity..Sorry, I'm with Mr. Pid on this one.....guess I better stop, too-got work to do........xoxo Gypsy Cowgirl
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I prefer mental floss. Too many questions were asked too late; too many more never yet asked. Answers coming forward now should give all pause and concern. "Crime does not pay ... as well as politics." - Alfred E. Newman
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and that is that we're gonna be sorry. But do not agree that will be due to Obama. Think the economy in 2009 is going to be worse, and not better-and has nothing to do with Obama just yet.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Why don't you spit out what you are insinuating? If you really have a point to prove tell us what it is. You are posting vagueness and innuendo because whatever your accusations are, (which we don't even know) apppear to have no factual basis at this time to back them up. This is an old propaganda trick. Create unrest, uneasiness, discontent, distrust without facts to back what you say. I call your bluff. Prove it. By the way what is the problem with the O on your computer? If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake