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    What's Inside:
    •144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
    •A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
    • Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
    •8 complete shows on 23 discs
          •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
          •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
          •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
          •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
          •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
          •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
          •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
          •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
    Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
    Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
    Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
    Original Art by Jessica Dessner
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

    Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

    "If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

    Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

    With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

    For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

    Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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    Not really, no. When dynamic range compression is applied, not only do they reduce the difference between the loudest and softest amplitudes, they also then have room to increase the amplitude over the entire range, so that at a given volume setting on your volume knob the volume of the music is louder than it would have been - the loudest sound is louder, the softest sound is louder, and the average sound is louder, than it would have been compared to the same signals prior to dynamic compression and raising the amplitude. This is why dynamic range compression is important in the "loudness wars" in commercial releases for radio. They compress the range, and then have room to make the whole range louder without going over peak and clipping. When you look at the visual representation of the sound from the HD file compared to the 16-bit file, the HD file is "smaller" from top to bottom - it is not as loud, but if you were to analyze it, you would find that the DIFFERENCE between the highest peaks and smallest peaks are, relative to each other, greater. So, while the -10db peak of the CD is louder than the -15db peak of the HD file, it is the CD that has had dynamic range compression applied so that they can then raise the amplitude of the entire signal by some percentage, making the peak volume of the CD louder than the peak volume of the HD file (and the average, and the softest sound as well). When the dynamic range compression is applied the DIFFERENCES between the amplitudes of loud and soft are made smaller - the percentage change is not the same across the spectrum of amplitudes, as the "average" amplitude will not have a change applied (that's a simplification, not exact, and also I'm not sure if it would be the mean or the median or some other midway point that remains unchanged). When they subsequently make the entire signal louder, the amplitude increase is percentage-wise the same across the board. THAT transformation DOES raise the average amplitude. Does that make sense? Obviously, none of this is inherent to either 16-bit or HD 24-bit. It could be applied to either. For some reason they apply it to the 16-bit file, probably because a lot of people don't like it when a CD seems like the volume is too low compared to other CD's they have. In other words, I expect they have to cater to consumer expectations.
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    Isn't a peak of -15 dB lower than -10 dB? Doesn't that suggest the HD file is more compressed than the CD? Actually, they probably both have some amount of light compression on them because that's just how it's typically done in the world. It's bizarre that one would be that different from the other. You can hear as little as 1 dB, maybe even less. The first S90 box had lots of audible compression, at least on the individual tracks. It sounds way too smooth to be au naturel, even if the mix of the various signal levels is not always great.
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    Is it possible that a pono player has better components than another portable playback device ? It was designed with this in mind.Same files, different players, different playback results.
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    I did a comparison of the CD version of Wake Up To Find Out (actually the one from the full box) and the 24/192 download. I used the first 15 seconds of Estimated Prophet (the software I'm using only lets you start at the beginning, and I didn't take the time to lop off an equal amount from the beginning of both files in order to get to the middle of the file). I chose Estimated Prophet because it begins right away having been transitioned into from the Eyes. The results: The average levels (left/right) on the CD are -17.42db/-16.19db the average levels on the HD file are -17.96db/-16.72 the peak level on the CD is -10db the peak level on the HD file is -15db The Stereo Balance on the CD is -2.14db (diff between L and R) The Stereo Balance on the HD file is -2.43db And the peak frequency on the CD is 14,685Hz the peak frequency on the HD file is 14,109Hz (that's a surprise) So, it appears that they HAVE INDEED applied some dynamic range compression to the CD version, although not a lot. I have NO IDEA why they wouldn't just convert the 24/192 file to 16/44.1 using noise-shaped dithering. The resulting files would be VIRTUALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE from each other. This still says nothing about the inherent equivalency to the human ears of 16/44.1 versus 24/192, but THAT'S IF THEY'RE FROM THE SAME SOURCE. My humble apologies FourWinds as you are indeed correct that they created a master for the 16-bit file that has had some amount of dynamic range compression applied to it. WHY???? Who knows. There is NO (good) reason to do this!!! The 24/192 is not better because it 24/192. It's better because they didn't apply dynamic range compression to master used for it. However, FourWinds, in your original post you wished they would just release the HD 24/192 file already!! WHY NOT wish that they convert the 24/192 to 16/44.1 and LEAVE IT ALONE to create the CD and 16/44.1 files?? That would serve the SAME purpose. And here are the file sizes for that one file: CD: 153,035kb HD: 998,784kb And, they have the same POTENTIAL for audio fidelity. Why not just wish for 16/44.1 files/CD's made directly from the 24/192's? Wouldn't that make far more sense. In any case, you were right - they're not the same. I have no idea why they chose to do this. One Man - Yes, for driving in my car (where I do a LOT of listening) files with more dynamic range compression make it much easier to hear all the music. You don't have to keep turning the volume up and down - up because you can hardly hear it and then BAM you get hit with the LOUD so you have to turn it down again. It is true that the range compression can pretty much fix that problem. Since we would never get two versions of everything with one purchase, my preference would be to get CD's/files that have NO dynamic range compression applied, and then I could apply my to create a set of files for travel (car/plane/walking, etc.)
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    Got to hand it to you, wjonjd
    You have a lot of patience ;)
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    I'm not sure what is fatiguing anyone's ears, but I hear some kind of pervasive audio distortion in about the first half of the E72 box mixes. It clears up on one of the Paris shows. I have no idea what caused it, but it is obvious to me and I'm sure the mix engineer noticed it eventually but no one bothered to go back and fix those first mixes. It could be inherent in just those first tapes (very doubtful), some kind of A-D transfer issue (can't imagine what), something to do with the Plangent Process (again, no idea), or something else. It still bugs me that these mixes were so rushed. Thank the gods they did not do the same with the '72 Veneta show or the new Spring 90 box. Also, let's not confuse file (data) compression with dynamic range compression. Dynamic range can be severely squashed on ANY recording format if the engineer chooses to do that. The GD archival releases are generally lightly compressed compared to many commercial releases, and I'm sure that is intentional. I actually wish they had a touch more dynamic compression on them sometimes, just to make them sound less jumpy.
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    There is no dynamic compression required when converting from 24-bit to 16-bit, and there is no reason to believe they just CHOSE to use any dynamic compression on the 16-bit file, but not on the 24-bit file. Your comment makes it clear (unless I'm mistaken, which I could be) that you believed that 16-bit is INHERENTLY more compressed than 24-bit, which is simply not the case in any way. Unless you have some reason to believe they just chose to compress the range of softest to loudest sounds on the 16-bit file and not on the 24-bit, I'd be interested to hear it. I think that's more than very very highly unlikely. Again, if you are experiencing ear fatigue from the 16-bit files, you have zero chance of improving that by buying the more expensive 24-bit ones except by placebo effect, unless they chose to reduce the dynamic range on the 16-bit files and not the 24-bit files for some reason. What possible reason do you have to suspect they would even consider going through the trouble of instituting dynamic range compression on the 16-bit files (CD's). They were NEVER going to be destined for mainstream radio play, and even if they were I don't believe Jeffrey Norman and his team do that even for releases that ARE destined for radio play. Of course, there is an easy way to answer this. Simply send DL an email to ask Jeffrey Norman (if you can't email Jeffrey Norman directly) if they compressed the dynamic range for the 16-bit release and CD's and not for the 24/192 (or 24/96) on any of their other archival releases where they have made hi-def available. I wouldn't promise my first-born, but I'd bet a lot that the answer will be no. In which case, as the links I posted point out pretty well, you will hear no difference between the two versions, nor experience a different level of ear fatigue or emotional connection - at least not due to the sound coming out of your loudspeakers. EDIT - I decided to purchase the Wake Up To Find Out hi def (24/192) download. I will rip from my CD version direct to 16-bit wav and compare them using a software audio package and should be able to easily tell if dynamic compression was used on one and not the other. I will let you know. I see no reason why they would treat the E72 release differently than the Wake Up To Find Out release as far as whether they chose to modify the dynamic range for the CD's. They both came from multi-track tape masters. Even if they didn't spend the time on the E72 releases that they did on the Wake Up To Find out release, I would still bet they treated the CD's the same in terms of how they transferred the original 24-bit files they mixed/mastered with to the 16-bit files they used to create the CD's. I will report back with the results.
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    If dynamic compression was used in the down mix process no further compression is needed.
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    Yes, Congratulations to all involved. I also believe this box deserves the grammy nod - I believe it surpasses the music in the first box, and the package itself is simply exquisite (as was the first box).
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    It's only fitting that a Brent era release got a Grammy nod. Congrats Bob, Phil, Mickey, Bill, Dave, Mark, Mary, Norman, Blair and everybody involved! This is the good stuff here.
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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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I just realized the cardboard flap is magnetized. So, no need to damage the flap by over-squeezing it back into its slot. Too late for me, I'm afraid I already damaged mine. :/
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"but really, what other tour is left that would command such attention... and sales? " '89 or "Dylan and the Dead" The fact the Robert Zimmerman is involved would insure sales that dwarf '72 or '90. Dylan disciples and Deadheads would both buy it. It could possibly get Rolling Stone cover status, depending on Jenn Werner's mood. And would probably get blurbs in main stream media outlets. I'm sure it will be released at some point, either through the Dylan bootleg series or dead.net. And since it's more Dead than Dylan, I'm betting on dead.net. Musically it may not be as "jazzy" as '72 or as important to the Dead's career/longevity/commercial viability as '90 was, but it's a gold mine for Rhino and Mr. Zimmerman's children. "Any day now. Any day now, I[t] shall be released." -- even though it got some bad reviews at the time it was going down.
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Listening to TOO,I don't think now that I ever got on the bus completly of my own volition.I think I got RAN OVER between fall '89 & spring '90. Pow! Of course everyone already on board gave me a hand and got me there but this shit bowled me over in a big way......for life. :) Thanx P.S.-Cowboy Neil had to swerve,but he got me.......
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Holy guacamole!Awesome! I though it would be good, but not this good! And I'm only on the first show, but some of the appeal certainly comes from the amazing box itself. WOW! I wonder how many are left now? 1200? 800? It is a fun game to watch the "less than n" note change.
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I've been taking my time and listening to each show in the tour - some quick observations: Does anyone else feel that the shows on the TOO box have more aggressive playing than the others? It just seems that they have a little more energy - not that the other shows are not as good but they seem to not reach that frenzy level. For instance Hartford - Shakedown to Red Rooster out of the gate is insane. I was hesitant about the RR but they kill it in the number two slot and there you have two big jams right at the start of the show. The other thing that's pretty obvious is Brent- man he is just going off and lighting fires under everyone! It's like he thought that his job was in jeopardy because of the recent issues and was like screw it, I'm going out with a bang! Lastly, since becoming a father I have a new appreciation for "I will take you home" - before the tune really didn't resonate and now I look at it totally different - all in all I think this era of shows is really special because you have 90% of the GD catalog (minus some songs here and there and the tunes that would be dev after) being played at such a high level and in many different places in the set list. Also, I am digging some of the Midi - never thought I'd say that but again its a nice change of pace.
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Anybody reading this needs to do the following: When you go to bed make sure you put your ear phones in and listen to Shakedown Street>Little Red Rooster from 3/18 Music always sounds best just before going to sleep. Do this and feel free to thank me later. However, the most thanks has to go to those who worked on this release.
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The sound quality and mix of this box set is simply Beautiful !The next best thing to being there. Being able to hear the separation of the drummers in the soundstage / mix is amazing. As Spacebrother mentioned, The B-3, sounds deep, warm, and clear. Worlds apart from Dozin' and Without a Net. IMHO... Vocal blends are wonderful. Phil's Bass is powerful without over coloring the rest of the mix. This is truly a labor of love. Time Well Spent ! Thank you John Cutler, Jeffrey Norman, and Crew !!! Especially you Jeffrey ! WOW.
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I've been jamming a show from this set each night over the past three days. Well, I guess I was cranking up the 3/21/90 show a little too loudly last night. I'm sitting there, watching the baseball game, listening to the show and a see a flicker of light. I thought that I was going to blow a fuse or something. Then I look behind me, in my den, and this guy yells "POLICE". There was a cop looking in the window in my den. It was just his face and he was pressed up against the screen. He scared the crap out of me. He told me I had to turn it down. I guess a neighbor complained. It was during "Throwing Stones". It was about 10:15pm. Man o life, it scared the hell out of me. I politely obliged, but I guess I need to close my windows when I listen to these releases. I live in a detached house. The music on this set just begs to be cranked up; it sounds that good.
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Kev you made me laugh out loud. I am with you. My philosophy is that there are two ways to listen to music, loud & louder! If it is too loud, you are too old!Rock on
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You guys are very persuasive. From the glowing reviews, to the sparkling and plentiful samples, I finally got off the fence and ordered the box. I really had to wait, to see if our finances could stabilize after some unexpected things came up, and lo! I feel like I can afford it, and it isn't sold out yet (barely). Anyway, it's an investment - if we're ever that hard up, I think I can always sell it for at least what I paid. (Unlike the downloads, I will never never understand the appeal of that). But I hope that never happens - damn this sounds good. I still don't care for the MIDI, or the occasional rinky-dink Brent piano sounds (but the organ, as Spacebro eloquently points out, sounds perfect) - or the Miami Vice drum sounds that crop up at times, but what the heck. And no doubt they are playing at a peak. So, I'm in. Looking forward to getting this one...
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than the Branford show. I've always loved the show and had a decent (by the standards of the day) tape that I played a lot, but this is off the chart. However, if you are planning to listen to it and get any work done at the same time, forget it. I'll get to some of the other shows in a bit, but I think I need to play this one a few more times.
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I think the art is wonderful on this box. So varied and beautiful, colorful and pretty. I love it.
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After buying the first box and selling it after a few listens, that won't happen here. As noted, the sound is incredible! Really great separation and clarity. I usually gravitate to 73-77, but this offers too much in great song selection and first rate performance to resist. This is a class release all around. What other band puts this kind of thought and care into 24 year old concert releases? It brings me back to my youth, staring at the album cover, reading the sleeve notes, buton steroids!
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Started listening to this today I got it on Tuesday the 9th however I've been so wrapped up with DP 11 (Fall'72) I pretty much forgot about this, plus the wife & kids are away in Hershey, PA. for the weekend, just the girls no guys allowed, so I have the house ALL to myself which gives me plenty of opportunity to give this a real listen. I can describe it with one word, SPECTACULAR!! Not only is it pleasing to the eye it's eargasmic. Other than the obvious (3/29) my favorite show so far is the 1st one (3/14), 1st Loose Lucy in 979 shows plus a raging Let It Grow & a 2nd set that opens with Crazy Fingers>Playin. Overall the mix is superb, the sound quality is amazing. This is my 2nd favorite box set after Europe '72. A GREAT job by TPTB. If you don't have it yet, ORDER YOURS TODAY!!!!! HAPPY FRIDAY, DEADLAND
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I got mine, the highest number I've seen posted yet 8177. And whats up with miracle coin? crown tab? Is that all for real? oh yeah and unfortunately no coin? whats going on? I wonder?
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I hate to be critical - hey some people may enjoy this essay that is in the book, but I found it disjointed and lacking clarity - what was the author trying to say? At first it tells of the persecution of deadheads at every concert with notes concerning the overall atmosphere and in the end it tries to compare the whole dead movement from 1966 onward to a "seminal" study from the New Left (Democratic Society)… whaaa? That the deadhead movement is a minority meant to create a generational legend - Before that he states that the scene had become a drag to the cities, band, and management- so what is it? Is the dead scene a democratic utopia as describe by the New Left (I just threw up in my mouth) or a drag? Am I reading this wrong? Why does the essay need to have a prophetic vibe especially at the end? Sorry this is a sore spot because not every deadhead can be classified as blue, red - conservative or liberal. To me its simply Americana at its truest.
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Anyone hear Standing On The Moon on Sirius today around 2:45 PM PST?? Loved it. Anyone know what show it's from?? Again, it's a long shot. Thanks
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mpace -- agreed. as somebody who's done some academic writing, i get what Meriwether was trying to do. he's a historian, who was trying to tell a story of the tour through a particular filter of oral history. the oral history he chose was the stories being told in 1990 in the press and by city officials, which was the negative connotations (mistakenly) associated with the band. to the extent that he balanced that with sympathetic accounts, it was those that appeared quoted in the media, or came from enlightened journalists. so, while it works from a pure oral history perspective, it fails as a complete history -- it purports to tell the story of the 1990 tour, but draws from a source that doesn't tell the whole story. he would've done far better to troll the postings on this thread after the set was announced to get better accounts from those that were there. in other words, he should've left the ivory tower ...
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Eh, maybe for the sake of argument/discussion. I still can't help but think Branford's remarks about this release were condescending towards the Dead. I gave this opinion earlier, then recanted, and now I am re-asserting it. Jeez, I just don't feel he has much respect for the Dead's musicianship. In the various interviews for this release, he refers several times to the dead as "pop music" and how easy it is to play "pop music". This is a put down. Branford is way too smart for it to be anything else. I take exception to this. I don't consider the Dead "pop music". Were the Fillmore West 69 shows, the Europe 72 Dark Stars and Other Ones, the Watkins Glen soundcheck all "pop music"? Even post-hiatus Dead- the PITB jams and "space"- these are all a far cry from "pop music", in my opinion. Probably Branford has never bothered to listen to any of that music. I think "pop music" in the last few decades means more like Madonna, Michael Jackson, Beyonce, etc. Yeah, Branford spoke warmly of the Dead: he was surprised at how much fun he had playing simple pop music! Hey, no big deal- I love Branford, but I think a lot of jazz musicians are condescending towards other music. In most cases, I don't blame them. I do admire Branford's honesty. He certainly speaks his mind. I remember him really trashing avant-garde jazz. I think it was in the Ken Burns Jazz documentary- he dismissed artists such as Cecil Taylor as "pretentious bullshit". Funny cuz Garcia idolized probably the greatest avant-garde jazz musician of all, Ornette Coleman. Honestly, I love Branford and think he is the greatest guest musician the Dead ever played with. But I can't resist a little jab- Branford could never fit in with pre-hiatus Dead. The dude plays waay, waay too many notes. Economy is essential in the best music. Even a 30-ish Branford couldn't play with pre-hiatus Dead. Post-hiatus, sure, beautiful! Hey, if Branford can dish it out he can take it.
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I was listening to this in my car this morning. And kept hearing some voice. For a split second around the 20 second point it Sounded like Siri from iPhone. I started the track over 4 times, I heard it every time. It sounds like the voice is saying "take out" or eject now". ?? Can anybody else confirm ?? Side note: it is a very nice Estimated > He's Gone
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DP1 was 12/19, though I wish it had been 12/18. To be fair, 12/19 does have one of the best HCS ever, for which I'm certainly grateful. But 12/18 has one of my favorite segments, i.e. the WRS>DS>Eyes>Wharf Rat>Sugar Mag. Hope it's released someday.
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I hate to tell you this...but the voice is actually saying, "Get out...leave now" and it means you have a ghost in the house.
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I know this sounds funny. But I just want to clear this up. I heard this in my car, so it's definitely not a ghost in my house. I even stopped my car, for a few listens. And you are correct 12-18-73 is awesome. I read an article from Dick Latvala and he said he would release 10 shows in a row from Fall 73' if he was allowed.
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....is so good, that when it ended, I hit the repeat button. Wonderful song selection if you ask me. Brilliant playing by the entire band. They were ON..... And the mix is off the charts....
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Sure, the Dead could be called pop music. Why not? I think it's just a way to distinguish it from full-on jazz, blues, classical or other (lame) "categories". We need some kinds of quick words to describe music even if the labels are not nearly descriptive enough. I still don't see that as a put-down. It did sound like he was worried that kids might latch onto simpler music (than jazz or classical) and not study harder, but that's just his wish that music students would take it as seriously as he does, not a knock on the GD. Anyway, Branford Marsalis certainly does not need me to defend him. I'm just not interpreting anything he said as negative toward the Dead.
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Is by my favorite from the Space portions of the first 3 nights of the box. Great tease into I Need A Miracle.
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I'd check for you but I didn't order this box. Hopefully someone who did will be kind enough to take 5 mins to get you some confirmation so you don't think you're going nuts!
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Finally gotten to the Atlanta shows also. Although they're all great, my favorites up to this point were the first one 3/14 (smokes) and 3//29, now I've gotta add 4/1 to that list. What a great show! And on top of sizzlingly great music, with inspired playing from everyone, the mix makes this show a complete Phil-Phest to boot. I remember really liking 4/2 from the first box a whole lot, so here's to hoping that 4/3 lives up to its predecessors. Highlights on 4/1 include what is now one of my favorite To Lay Me Down's, a Big River that cooks and simmers, a Music Never Stopped that you can't not dance to, fantastic jam from China to Rider ..... Oh never mind, the whole show is a highlight. I even found myself bopping and smiling to Just a Little Light. I don't think of Pig as primarily a keyboardist, so Brent is without question my favorite of the keyboardists, and there's no question that this box has some of the best examples of why he so loved by so many of us that started the trip as the 80's were inaugurated. He brought fantastic creativity and passion and fit into the groove like he was born for it. Do you remember what he could add to the orgasm at the end of a Dew?, a piece that already used to routinely reach bliss? Just listen to him on these shows. He's jaw dropping good. I love the wild energy of the 60's, the completely unrivaled creativity of the early 70's, the transcendent power of 77 and 78. But, I consider myself lucky that Brent got on board the same time as me.
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@PalmerEldritch - I dare say you've completely misconstrued Branford's statements. He never once says the Grateful Dead is simple pop music. It's fairly clear that was exactly what he was expecting as he had not heard them play before, but was instead absolutely delighted to find it to be anything but that. He's simply comparing what he thought it would be to what it actually turned out to be.
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...from 4/1 has a great intro, and an inspired outro. A pleasant surprise....
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3-14 Row Jimmy , the jam after Crazy Fingers into Playin > UJB , Black Peter 3-18 Shakedown opener. 1st set is probably my favorite of the 3. Friend of the Devil through the Music Never Stopped is very nice. TMNS has a great jam. 3-21-90 Half Step, Queen Jane, Victim or the Crime > Standing on the Moon. 2nd set is great and my stand out is Lovelight. Great version plus the small jam at the ends just rips. This set also has Crazy Fingers. I think this one is just a tad better than 3-14,. Even though I like the jam in 3-14 better. Estimated Prophet is very good and it goes into an excellent He's Gone.
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...sitting here on Sat. night grooving to 3/25. Very good show! Masterpiece and Bird Song are great. The 2nd set seems laid back kind of bluesy. So far this show has my favorite "Space". I agree, 3/14 is a great show! Already one of my favorites. Take care folks!
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So far Hartford is in the lead… Besides the strong Shakedown>Rooster opener there is a great Stagger Lee and a definitive IMO Masterpiece. The rest of the first set is great as previously stated. Seconds set is not as great as the first but it really gels and overall- great playing and the uniqueness of both set lists combined make this a show to come back to. From what I hear - I am very much looking forward to the rest: 4.1 and of course 3.29 with the new mix. I've got my eye on 3-25 because I think it may be a sleeper pick… we'll see.
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Yup, that's a typo. It happens. & Yer right about 12/18/73 second set (I mean, it NEEDS to be released!)
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....was top notch. Loving every minute of it...nice how it just fell into Mr. Fantasy at the Omni....outstanding!!
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Just started the last show, 4/3. Will comment more later, but sugaree just finished. Check out a couple minutes of the song starting 7.30. Just WHAT exactly was Phil doing? It was really good. It might not have been sugaree he was playing, but it was .. Something.
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I feel the need to back Palmer up on this one... I don't have the box set yet (just ordered it), so I'm not sure if you are debating something he wrote in that or in some other source. But I did just re-read the Rolling Stone interview with Branford, and yes he does say some complimentary things about the band, but he also says this: ------------------ "The one thing about the Dead was their level of intensity. Harmonically most of the music was simple - one, two chords. But the intensity was off the chain." "The 7/4 time [in Estimated Prophet] was not a big deal to to a guy who plays jazz. Where jazz guys fuck up playing with pop and rock bands is they seem insulted by the simplicity." "Harmonically it was simple enough that I could catch on quickly." ------------------ I'm not sure if Palmer was reading that or another article, but I really don't see how the above quotes can be construed any other way. One could argue Branford is saying that simplicity is a good thing, but you can't argue that he isn't saying the Dead's music was simple pop/rock music, because that is literally what he is saying.
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Thanks for the back-up claney. So I'm not completely nuts. I think we all love Branford here, but he has a healthy ego and is outspoken. My guess is he's never heard the Dead's best music: i.e. FW 69, Europe 72, Watkins Glen....
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None of these songs appear on the first box: All Along the Watchtower - 3/18 Althea - 4/1 Big River - 3/14, 4/1 Black Peter - 3/14, 3/25 Candyman - 4/1 Cassidy - 3/28 Cold Rain and Snow - 3/14, 3/28 Crazy Fingers - 3/14, 3/21, 3/25, 4/3 Cumberland Blues - 3/21, 3/28 Dark Star - 3/29 Far From Me - 3/21 Friend of the Devil - 3/18 Greatest Story Ever Told - 3/25 Hey Pocky Way - 3/21, 3/28 High Time - 3/28 I Will Take You Home - 3/25, 4/3 Jack Straw - 3/29 Knockin' on Heaven's Door - 3/21, 3/29 Loose Lucy - 3/14, 3/21, 3/28 Mama Tried - 3/14 Me and My Uncle - 3/18, 4/1 Mexicali Blues - 3/18 The Music Never Stopped - 3/18, 4/1 Never Trust a Woman - 3/14, 3/25 Promised Land - 3/21, 3/29, 4/3 Quinn the Eskimo - 3/25 Ramble On Rose - 3/18, 3/29 Revolution - 3/28 Shakedown Street - 3/18, 4/3 Spoonful - 3/18, 3/25 Stagger Lee - 3/18 Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again - 3/14 Sugaree - 4/3 Throwing Stones - 3/21, 3/29, 4/3 To Lay Me Down - 4/1 Turn On Your Lovelight - 3/14, 3/21, 3/29 U.S. Blues - 3/18 Walkin' Blues - 4/1 Wang Dang Doodle - 3/25 We Bid You Goodnight - 4/3 Wharf Rat - 3/21, 3/28 The Wheel - 3/18, 3/29 When I Paint My Masterpiece - 3/18, 3/25, 3/29, 4/3 My apologies for any errors. I did this quickly. Very quickly while listening to 3/18.
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Branford also said this: "Those guys can play music...they're American musical icons. They're fantastic! As a matter of fact, I just bought their records. I went out and copped 'em all."
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hseamons - that is just incredible, thanks for doing that. One of the things which finally conviinced me to shell out for this box was the unbellievable variety of setlitsts. Much as I love the May 77 box, it sure has more repetition. (Not to mention Europe 72 - Mr. Charlie anyone?) Bolo, I don't disagree at all re: Branford. As I mentioned, he does say a lot of positive things too. But, I don't think Palmer was misconstruing anything either... I just felt like offering a little back-up there.
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If you're the matrix guy, I just want to say thanks for all the great work you do. I have many of your matrices and they're top notch. Thanks!
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It is harmonically simple. Isn't it? Yeah, it mostly is. And Marsalis' point is that some jazz players are so full of themselves that they think that means they're above it. If anything, that reads as a dis to many jazz players. Like some jazz players, it seems some rock fans apparently also think the observation that the music is harmonically simple is an insult. Marsalis is saying that's wrong. This is really making something out of nothing.
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Like Dantian said, if you're Hunter Seamons: Thank You! I am listening to the Seamons matrix of 7/1/85 right now. Sounds FANTASTIC! The three tracks I picked from my former (audience) source of the show are about to be replaced by eight tracks from this matrix mix source. Obtained through the wondrous graces of "Wolfclan77", perhaps someone who frequents this website's comment threads (Wolfclan77 has also posted 9/18/74 and e few others that have been mentioned recently here...hmmm...). Big thanks to Hunter Seamons for all the matrix mixes you worked on and made available to the on-line World and to Wolfclan77 for recently posting so many Dead shows that I want to a website I can D/L them through. I have a personal goal of upgrading my remaining LMA MP3-sourced shows to GDM releases or "Lossless Source" D/Ls. W77 has enabled me to do more upgrades in a couple of months than GDM has in 3 years! Big thanks to Charlie Miller while I am at it!
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Here are the 30 songs unique to the first box set: Attics of My Life - 3/30 Beat It on Down the Line - 3/22 Believe It or Not - 3/22 Big Railroad Blues - 3/26 Black Throated Wind - 3/16, 3/26 Blow Away - 3/16, 3/26 Box of Rain - 3/19 Brokedown Palace - 3/19, 3/26 Brown Eyed Women - 3/19, 4/2 Built to Last - 3/26 China Doll - 3/19, 3/30 Death Don't Have No Mercy - 4/2 Dire Wolf - 3/30 Don't Ease Me In - 3/22, 3/30 Dupree's Diamond Blues - 3/26 Fire on the Mountain - 3/22 Franklin's Tower - 3/24, 3/30 Gimme Some Lovin' - 3/19, 3/26, 3/30 Help on the Way - 3/24, 3/30 Hey Jude - 3/22 It Must Have Been the Roses - 3/22 It's All Over Now - 3/19, 3/30 Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues - 3/30 The Last Time - 3/16, 3/22, 4/2 Let the Good Times Roll - 3/16, 3/24 Loser - 3/16, 3/24 Peggy-O - 3/16 Slipknot! - 3/24, 3/30 Terrapin Station - 3/30 West L.A. Fadeaway - 3/22 TOO has 13 more unique songs, at 43. Fence sitters have no choice now. Thanks!
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I believe the following quotes demonstrate that Branford immediately recognized the difference between the GD's 'sometimes tricky' songs & 'most popular songs.' Also that he understands that listening and playing within context is fundamental to the art of jamming and as such he joined the group onstage as a supportive listener, rather than a star soloist. “When we did ‘Bird Song,’ the first thing I wanted to do was learn the form of the song. The Dead have some incredibly tricky tunes, but for the most part, popular songs are quite simple. People don’t want to go to music school when they’re listening to their music. Jamming doesn’t mean you can play whatever you want. You have a tremendous amount of leeway in context. If you understand the rules, then you have context. But it was a jam session. And I wasn’t going to step on the mainline. I was going to compliment what Jerry was doing. I would just respond to what I was hearing.” “Every time I had played at a popular concert, I was in a horn section. There are specific spots where you play and specific spots where you don’t play. I’d never been in a situation where I was up there and they said ‘OK, let’s do this song.’ What I started to figure out was something I learned as a kid playing in New Orleans. One of the rules of playing in popular styles of music is that the singer is the most important person on stage – you can’t step on the singer. Then it was a matter of figuring out how I could function in a group context. One of the things I basically did was never play a note when [Jerry] sang the first chorus. I always waited to the second chorus. The world just doesn’t need that much sax playing in the middle of a song.” http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/09/08/grateful-dead-branford-marsal…
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Got in touch with someone from Rhino via email, and the mystery was solved about the "Miracle" coin. Was told that the promotional copies of the box set that they gave away all had coins with "Miracle" on them and that I shouldn't have received it. Bummer - was hoping for that trip to the vault! Was told by Rhino that they would replace the set with a numbered one. Listened to the copy of the Branford show today for the first time in the early hours of the morning while on the way to work - it really is worth the hype. Wow.
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I think the awesomeness of this box speaks for itself, but just scroll down through the posts here if you are not sure. There is not one show out of the eight which does not have someone here singing its praises. The box, the cases, the accoutrements, and the great set lists mixed to perfection make this one for the ages. When the first Spring '90 box came out, I stated that it would be THE box set that all others would be judged against. Well, I may have to correct myself as this one has probably outdone that one! I love both, but the sound on this one is just amazing. It is surely a great time to be a listener of the best band in the land.Rock on
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