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    Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    LedDed - Your take on Slayer just absolutely painted a picture. Never seen them play, but your analogy “ But that's, like, music with things like harmony and melody. Probably chick music to that audience.” had me laughing so hard, my dog thought I finally lost it! Great read!
    It was never the music of speed metal bands I disliked, for there is room for all sounds, it was the scene around it you described. I’m not that fatalistic.

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    *re/ opening band(s) play before the headliners

    ... one of my favorite shows I saw was ‘ Primus ‘ at the old East Rutherford stadium opening up for ‘U2! I took my girlfriend at the time to see her favorite band at that time and it was U2.
    When I learned Primus was opening up the concert I got her 3or 4th row! U2 put on a great show but ‘Primus blew my mind and it seamed the other 15000 attendees did not dig their music at all! Lol, it was a very strange band to open a U2 concert. I still have my T-shirt from the concert.

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    I remember a review when Marquee Moon came out saying they were like a cross between the Grateful Dead and Velvet Underground. Bought it and fell in love with them. Have followed Tom Verlaine ever since. Saw him play a tiny 'club' in Manchester UK in 2007 called 'The Night and Day Cafe' with about 50 other people. Went to San Francisco on honeymoon in 2014 (took me till i was 59 to find true love!!!) where we saw Peter Rowan at Sweetwater with about 15 people having earlier in the day been at a tie-dye time warp at Hardly Strictly Bluegrass in Golden Gate Park seeing Tony Joe White, Felice brothers and headlined by Steve Earle who had John Paul Jones (ex Led Zep) playing mandolin. Multi acts.... Knebworth 74 with Tim Buckley, Alex Harvey, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Van Morrison, Doobies and Allman Bros, Wembley Stadium 74 with Jesse Colin Young, Tom Scott, Joni Mitchell and CSNY, Knebworth 75 with Linda Lewis, Roy Harper, Beefheart, Steve Miller and Pink Floyd. Also saw the Dead at Ally Pally middle night of the 3 sept 74 where i found my Dark Star. Oh for a time warp........

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    Or the Boozer. Not sure if it will make it through these terrible times.

    Did you ever see the Gooney Birds there?

    Saw Big Head Todd at the Medina Ball room in maybe 2000, very small venue. Big Head Todd, my god, it has been a long time.

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    So 38 years ago this weekend ...

    I had a most wonderful time at The Frost ...

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    The Bosh reference came yesterday.. from perhaps Cousins??? I googled it too. I was familiar with his art, but not his name. Never seen slayer but got that vibe, now times two.

    Ledded.. great post. The horrid details and visuals they created. I'm with Brewer. Back to the point, a nice stream of conscience over the last several days with many, many artists and only the slightest trace of a few stray off key vibes.

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    is why I come here every day!

    LedDed, "like some demented methhead let loose in a Guitar Center" made me choke on my beer (Genesee Cream Ale) it was so funny, and THEN you made me go Google Bosch, who is AMAZING, as you knew.

    When I listen to DaP35 I think, "I WISH I could bring all of us back in time to hang out together at this show!!" And I also realize that the sound of this release, while asking us all to be forgiving, is also WAY BETTER SOUNDING than most of the shows I saw at large indoor arenas. If the sound of DaP35 had been what I heard at most of my arena shows, I wouldn't have left those shows so disgruntled. Bravo, Healy, Dave, and all those involved.

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    Slayer....

    ....interesting take. I get it it ledded. They're not for everyone. Noisy? Yes. Not talented? I beg to differ.
    I still enjoy them.

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    *Re/ small venue performances

    ... I believe the ‘atmosphere’ plays a “big” part in the bands performances.
    While I attended ‘Cooper Union’ during and before my college years I went to a lot of shows so many bands the biggest gig ever went to was Woodstock 1994 the 25th year anniversary that was amazing truly mind blowing performances from all types of bands music. I had the time of my life attending that festival of “peace love & music” for three days worth of music to entertain the massive amount of people I have ever seen sure it was truly life all the rating experience very positive.
    I saw “nirvana” at ‘maxwells’ in Hoboken.
    Caught “Pearl Jam” at the ‘Lime light’
    Saw ‘Eek-A-Mouse’/ is a Jamaican reggae musician. He is one of the earliest artists to be described as a "singjay" in Boulder Colorado at a beer brewery maybe 50 people tops.
    I also sent to see the ‘Misfits’ on Halloween! Some Japanese band opened up the show played a great set of music ; very original music. Thing was the theater could hold hundreds of people but the crowd was just 13th of us fans watch the misfit played & sounded beautiful in this empty theatre. No crowd comes off very soft in recordings!
    Went to “Kelly’s” in Tappan NY Also know as the Hog Penny’s, one of my best friends bar/tavern, holds 50 -100 people, we had the JGB with Melven Seals , members of New riders of the purple Sage, ‘Marshall Tucker Band’ then the. Dickiey betts Band! And then for my friends 70th birthday, we got ‘Doctor John’ With Members from the mesters & the radiators! Crazy grateful times!

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    Catching up and scrolling back, what a vast vat of musical knowledge and open mindedness is continually on display here. Just wonderful.

    Of particular mention, "The Cabooze." Growing up in Wisconsin, my best friend going back to 7th grade/best man at my wedding still lives in St. Paul. I go back periodically, and we tear up Minny like bad old lads. The Cabooze, to the uninitiated, is a classic rock and roll dump with a storied history. And a great name.

    Then someone said Slayer was like the soundtrack to a Hieronymus Bosch painting. Thought the same and lived through it. I was in a Hieronymus Bosch painting. In fact, you can still see me there, crouching down and plugging my ears while trying to drink! A buddy of mine in California rides mountain bikes with Kerry King (Slayer guitarist). He got me and a plus one on the guest list for Slayer at the Fillmore in Denver with backstage passes.

    So, we went. It was, in a word, horrible. An unlistenable, evil cacophony of horrid, unrelenting noise for 90 minutes. The lead guitarist who passed, Jeff Hanneman, was particularly putrid. He had, like, baseball catcher's leg armor spray painted silver and affixed to his black jeans in some kind of post-apocalyptic Road Warrior-type nod. Not cool.

    Neither was his soloing, which was basically sweep picking and shredding as fast as possible, mostly in the high register, with no regard for taste, nuance or - KEY! - he just played over everything, atonal, like some demented meth head let loose in Guitar Center. And a legion of greasy, stringy-haired skulls banged along in furious might.

    As we stood at the back of the floor, swilling to kill the pain and taking it all in, I had this moment of, just... sadness and disgust and wanting to flee. Look, I dig the Dead and jazz but also hard rock and I've seen some things and been in a mosh pit or two, just for exercise and to burn off the alcohol. But this was horrifying. So many losers, skinny and drugged out, or fat and drugged out, pasty white, sweating, bad vibes, bad clothes, all black, tattoos of skulls and demons, wild eyes filled with angst and hate. This was not the place to be on acid...

    Bad vibes, man, bad vibes. The wrong kind of drugs and the wrong kind of people. No love, no warmth anywhere in the room, just like some dark pagan ritual gone bad. The Slayer guys made millions out of cultivating this kind of aura, this audience, this niche that they exploited. It did no one any good, and it will be their karma and their legacy.

    Christ, I need a shower just reliving this. It DID look like a Bosch painting... or rather more like actual hell. Maybe it was. Maybe when I die, if I don't make it, I'll be reliving this show in eternity. I dig classic UFO, Dio, Priest, Sabbath, Scorpions. But that's, like, music with things like harmony and melody. Probably chick music to that audience.

    After our long-suffering drinks at the back of the venue, we make our way toward backstage. In my trips backstage over the years, it's generally worth the time spent, if only for the hang and the things you see and hear if you're a big music fan. Back in the day I turned on a couple of people who shall remain nameless... you realize how hollow and shallow it can kind of be, like, "who's got any Krell? I'll be your friend until it runs out." Well, this wasn't even that. In fact, we waited almost an hour while a Slayer stagehand came out and led several women, and a few dudes, past the velvet rope and into the dressing rooms/reception area. I thought at least I'd drop my friend's name who got us in, share a story, and bail. Finally, pass be damned I just said to hell with it and we bailed.

    Fuck Slayer. Love Eddie Van Halen.

    \m/

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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What is this Egypt 1978 stuff that is showing up???

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Does anyone know how to access the list of Bear’s recordings?? I’ve tried, but perhaps you have to kick in the $400 first. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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I hadn't noticed the Egypt '78 merch until Chuck pointed it out, but it does seem like they're putting a dead logo on everything that they can think of from Axes and Aprons to Shirts and Shoes. Grateful Dead Leatherman Wave? Cool tool, but nothing I would have thought of on my own.

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....'Rocking The Cradle' was released some time ago, encompassing some pretty good stuff (lookin at you, bonus disc) from their Egyptian Great Pyramid run in Fall 1978...hence the merch tie-in, assuming. The offering came with an accompanying DVD, which I actually don't recall ever watching although I'm sure I did at some point. The DVD also has some 'home-video' snippets of the trip from the band, which apparently will also be aired tonight.

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Yes, the bonus material on the DVD is them touring Egypt and riding on a boat on the Nile. Bill Walton is on the boat with them.

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I think I was supposed to get DP #35 but got 33 instead! I already have 33 and 34!

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My Dap 35 has been sitting in Fontana for 3 days. No movement whatsoever unless they just stopped scanning it.

So you got Dap 33? Wouldn’t that be the all time new low at dead.net if everyone was sent Dap 33 by mistake? Unbelievable

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I’m with VGuy - pass. This new business model of copious amounts of Dead branded stuff reminds me of the old Get Smart series, where Max discovers The Craw’s Dry Cleaning business is merely a front for the nefarious deeds of Kaos. Substitute “spy network” for music output, and “laundry” for all this Dead swag, and they have it nailed:

Bobo:
The spy network is just a front. The real money is in the laundry.

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I've still not received Dap 34...

UPS status update hasn't changed since the 3rd day after I got my shipping notice back in... (checks email).. April.

Thought I'd give it time given the world's situation.. but this is ridiculous. Why can't we get a proper shipping system?

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If you haven’t done so already you really need to get marye involved. At this point, she is the only one who can help you remedy this situation

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Ya know, I'm really starting to dig these Friday night Shakedown Streams...

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....sounds and looks pretty damn good to me.
edit. Marye does get it done.
1978 > 2020.
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Edit squared. Happy Birthday Jerome John Garcia. 🍺

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I for one love the performances ,not their best but still packed with grateful Fueled Cosmic-magical Energy! ! 🙏❤️💀🌹

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7/31/74: Great show that meanders into some great pockets of mellow Dead. Listened to it yesterday and today. The audio could use The New Norman. This '74 show sounds more like DP 7 and 31. Plangent, Cogent, whatever it takes. Things have moved along - just listen to Jai-Alai, 30 Trips, and the '74 shows from the Pacific Northwest box set.

And now into 8/1/73. I have only the bare essentials: Bird Song, Dark Star, Eyes of the World, and Morning Dew. That'll do it.

8/1/73 - also reportedly the last time Jerry played the Alligator.

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I have to say I love the Shakedown Stream. Dave L. and the crew once again get my thanks and gratitude for giving us these shows. Plus the pre-show is great with all the guests. I love hearing all of the stories. Last weeks pre-show with David Crosby was great and I got a laugh with his unexpected early exit.

Now Rocking the Cradle...so back when this was released in 2008 I was fairly critical of it. I was passionate about this band and the shows that got released. I am still just as passionate, but back then I was misguided. One of my issues with Rocking the Cradle extended into the newly initiated Road Trips at that time, which had to do with the lack of complete shows. My stance has changed 180 degrees on the complete show debate- I prefer them but do not demand them.

Yet the bigger issue with Rocking the Cradle, and I still stand by this, is that the Egypt shows, albeit a momentous occasion, were not very good musically on the whole. I feel like that release came to be due to 2008 being the 30th anniversary of those shows and of course the location of the shows being so exotic. I felt that there were better shows that could have been released back then.

Looking back from the weird year of 2020, I not only changed my stance on the Road Trips series which I love, but Dave L. and company have given us so many great shows since 2008. Between all of the box sets, Dave's Picks, bonus material on reissues, and 30 Days of Dead we have been given a plethora of better shows since then. I think if Rocking the Cradle was released in current times, I would be way more interested in it. Yet in 2008, and not having that elusive Tardis, I didn't see the future so I did have my objections. Seriously who would have thought that we would get all of these great shows? I remember thinking that getting a complete run or tour, say Europe 72 for example, was impossible. I was wrong...happily.

Now I do own Ricking the Cradle, as I picked up a used copy a few years ago. Its not a show(s) I turn to often but I really like the video material from it.

Coming back full circle, next week's Shakedown Stream is going to be the last for a while. I am a little bummed but as we know, all good things come to an end at least for a while. I have got used to it and along with Phish's and Dead and Co. Tuesday and Saturday streams it has made things better in the twisted year we are stuck in. As always, I am grateful for all of the great music we have been given.

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Why do we get tracking that does nothing for a week. While we wait with no updates, etc etc. Just wondering thsts all .

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rb et al., send me a PM and I'll get the Doc on the case. More generally, I don't know what it's like where you live, but in my neighborhood in Oakland we haven't had a mail delivery for two days, so quite a number of things seem to not be working correctly in these weird times.
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big happy birdday to jeramiah jeremy jerry garcia junior the third

once in a while you get shown a lite in a stranger place if you look to the rite
- francesco franklin zappa

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The orange thing in The White House has told the Postmaster General who was appointed 6/15/20 and is an ardent supporter of the administration, to sloooow things down. His 1st attempt at derailing mail-in voting? I'm not getting political but thought all concerned might like to know why things are/may be running late.

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....because the future of the United States of America is on the line. This is bigger than the latest Dave's.
Seriously. Vote early.
This is not a drill folks.

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Grateful Han, agreed, these streams are great. I watched most of Egypt last night and was really impressed. Tonight I watched the pre-game and was really blown away with how eloquent and expressive Mickey is. So sharp. His memories of '78 are great. Thanks so much Mickey.

I know its somewhat unavoidable and I don't pretend to be a spokesperson for the community in any way, but I personally would encourage people to focus their political thoughts on other outlets. For sure let your family and friends know how you feel about whats going on in the US these days and what needs to happen in November. I just don't want the conversations here to degrade into the partisan morass that I see in so many places. This site is a refuge of sorts and I don't want to have to leave it.

I respect differing opinions and everyone's right to speak freely here and anywhere. I just personally would like to associate this forum with the dead and their music and not politics.

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I fully agree that politics and political discussions should be saved for fora that exist specifically for that purpose rather than be aired on here. However, in the current viciously divisive situation in the United States where seemingly every issue, however trivial, causes bitter division along political lines it is difficult to avoid politics completely when discussing why people believe things are the way they are right now. It is sad to see a country tearing itself apart, but that is what is happening.

It is always interesting to hear the points of view of others on here and this would be a poorer place without that but it would be appreciated if politics could be kept out of discussions as much as possible. We have all seen what getting political leads to on here and it isn't pretty.

Your chance is coming, however. If you don't like the way things are, or indeed if you do, then get out and exercise your democratic right to vote. As Vguy said "the future of the United States of America is on the line". Apparently you will then get the president that you deserve. Of course it isn't that simple in this day and age, but we are all aware of that sad fact.

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I wouldn't have thought advising people to vote was controversial politically. Its not as though advice was proffered on who to vote for.

I haven't noticed Dicks Picks 26 on vinyl popping up at any UK outlets yet. Eyes peeled for that one.

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Mine has been sitting in Fontana ca for the past 5 days. No scans, no updates, no movement.

Edit: the problem doesn’t seem to be the post office. The problem seems to be with UPS Mail Innovations

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Shipping notice appeared on 07/31 but UPS don’t recognise the tracking number yet. I’ll be happy if the album turns up at any point in August.

Bear’s Sonic Journals - Commander Cody
Folklore - Taylor Swift
Never the same way once - Doc and Merle Watson
Music for 18 Musicians - Steve Reich
The topography of the lungs - Evan Parker

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...I don't know, sounded like a suggestion of who not to vote for, which sounds like taking a position on who to vote for in another way. I see a lot of political statements on here that people don't seem to consider political, maybe because it is an expression of a political viewpoint with which they agree. Certainly when I criticized Joe's drug war legislation in a response to a drug war post it was perceived as political, Slow Dog and Jim were quick jump on the post as inappropriately political, so criticizing Trump (we all know who the orange one refers to) about a political accusation related to an alleged attempt to steal the election seems at least equally political. Have to say I feel better seeing that Slow Dog at least is discouraging political discussions pretty much without regard to the viewpoint. I mean, I love to talk (argue?) about politics and am always willing to throw down if someone wants a debate, and I have a dim enough view of most politicians and a thick skin so I doubt you'll hurt my feelings, but I notice some folks do get pretty upset when confronted with a different viewpoint than their own, so I generally make an effort not to inject politics into these threads. Not that I'm always successful. But if you are going to excuse political comments with one viewpoint, don't pretend it is the politics that bothers you, at least admit that it is the expression of a political viewpoint with which you disagree that bothers you.

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Same

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Seen this bumper sticker on a car parked at a local trail head yesterday...

"Weir On A Mission From Bob"

A little Blues Bros/Dead humor.....cracked me up.

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How did HST know that all the deadheads in Florida didn't vote in 2000? Are deadheads politically fungible, sharing identical political viewpoints throughout the vast pool of individuals who are deadheads? Is it a political group not a group of fans of a band that stayed pretty consistently non-political throughout their career? Would all the Forida deadheads have voted the same? Are you not a deadhead if you don't subscribe to a particular political ideology? When I first started hanging out with deadheads, one of the things I liked was the diversity of opinion and thought, and a tolerance for differences so it seems odd to me to think of deadheads as a homogeneous political group-mind. Maybe I was wrong.

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Is really killing the vibe here, at least for me...let's try and keep our focus on the lighter side of things here...I know that many of us have very strong opinions regarding the crazy times we're in, I'd love to see more comments about the Daze Between stream than about this b.s. that will blow away...

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Most discussions on here are welcome, as long as there’s no rancor involved. But I generally prefer music based topics. I love to get turned on to music I don’t already have. McCoy Tyner’s Sahara was the last awesome thing I got from these pages.
I only followed the tracking on a Dave‘s once. It was so frustrating that I now just wait to be surprised. Based on when other folks get their copies, I’m generally not in the first wave, but usually in the 2nd or 3rd wave. That’s fine.

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Monkees-Headquarters
Zappa-Finer Moments
Iron And Wine-The Shepherd’s Dog
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VA-Divided & United, The Songs of the Civil War

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....and for that, I apologize. Now excuse me as I gloss over the lyrics to Throwing Stones.
I made my statement ambiguous on purpose.
Be safe. Be smart. Be brave. I love you all. I fare you well and hope the four winds bring you safely home.
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...I just stumbled across Bear's Sonic Journal: Commander Cody at the Family Dog Complete Set...seems to ba a download only of five nights at the Family Dog...the tracks that were bonus tracks on the prior two disc set are now full blown complete shows...also it seems to be in Hi Res only...a little over 5 hrs long...will probably grab it next week as I blew my allowance yesterday on the Criterion Collection "Godzilla: The Showa Era Films '54 - '75" Box Set....Also, Hey Dennis!...thanks for the Pokey video...he's always a gas...I especillay love when Chloe Feoranzo joins his band on her clarinet...and speaking of organic tunes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUoIQ1UGDxg

later instigators...

I apologize to the community at large for any political references I made regarding delivery of DaP35.

The mail is being slowed down; Marye herself stated earlier on this thread (8/1) that Oakland hadn't had mail delivery for 2 days...so before contacting her or condemning Rhino/USPS/UPS Mail Innovations, maybe allow an additional 1-2 weeks for delivery? longer? End of FYI. As further apolitical evidence I offer a Last 5.

GD / Related:
1. GD - DaP34 6/23/74 Miami, FL
2. GD - 5/26/77 Baltimore, MD
3. GD - 10/8/89 Hampton, VA (Formerly The Warlocks box)
4. JG - Don't Let Go: 5/21/76 San Francisco, CA
5. Kingfish - In Concert: 4/3/76 NYC, NY

Other:
1. Jason Isbell - Reunions
2. John Cale & Terry Riley - The Church Of Anthrax.....which led to
3. Africa Express w/Damon Albarn & Brian Eno - Terry Riley's 'In C'.....which led to
4. Fripp & Eno - No Pussyfooting....which led to
5. King Crimson - Red

Approximately 5-6 years ago a fellow poster on a DaP thread highly recommended the 'Africa Express' album. I took them up on their recommendation and was amazed. It's since become a 'desert island' favorite. A hearty 'thank you' to that person.

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I got the email on 29 July. Checked tracking for couple of days said not received yet. Today I checked it's in SLC transferred to usps. They don't have a tracking yet. I'm thinking next Thursday. Be patient
As I'm in the transportation industry I've worked strait through. Between short staffing due to illness, those refusing to come in etc. Things are much slower and tracking can be haphazard. Give it time. Some countries just shut down their deliveries

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