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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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December 11, 2014 - 7:57am

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wjonjd

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One Man - Peaks

Not really, no. When dynamic range compression is applied, not only do they reduce the difference between the loudest and softest amplitudes, they also then have room to increase the amplitude over the entire range, so that at a given volume setting on your volume knob the volume of the music is louder than it would have been - the loudest sound is louder, the softest sound is louder, and the average sound is louder, than it would have been compared to the same signals prior to dynamic compression and raising the amplitude. This is why dynamic range compression is important in the "loudness wars" in commercial releases for radio. They compress the range, and then have room to make the whole range louder without going over peak and clipping. When you look at the visual representation of the sound from the HD file compared to the 16-bit file, the HD file is "smaller" from top to bottom - it is not as loud, but if you were to analyze it, you would find that the DIFFERENCE between the highest peaks and smallest peaks are, relative to each other, greater. So, while the -10db peak of the CD is louder than the -15db peak of the HD file, it is the CD that has had dynamic range compression applied so that they can then raise the amplitude of the entire signal by some percentage, making the peak volume of the CD louder than the peak volume of the HD file (and the average, and the softest sound as well). When the dynamic range compression is applied the DIFFERENCES between the amplitudes of loud and soft are made smaller - the percentage change is not the same across the spectrum of amplitudes, as the "average" amplitude will not have a change applied (that's a simplification, not exact, and also I'm not sure if it would be the mean or the median or some other midway point that remains unchanged). When they subsequently make the entire signal louder, the amplitude increase is percentage-wise the same across the board. THAT transformation DOES raise the average amplitude. Does that make sense? Obviously, none of this is inherent to either 16-bit or HD 24-bit. It could be applied to either. For some reason they apply it to the 16-bit file, probably because a lot of people don't like it when a CD seems like the volume is too low compared to other CD's they have. In other words, I expect they have to cater to consumer expectations.
December 11, 2014 - 2:59am

#72

One Man

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Peaks

Isn't a peak of -15 dB lower than -10 dB? Doesn't that suggest the HD file is more compressed than the CD? Actually, they probably both have some amount of light compression on them because that's just how it's typically done in the world. It's bizarre that one would be that different from the other. You can hear as little as 1 dB, maybe even less. The first S90 box had lots of audible compression, at least on the individual tracks. It sounds way too smooth to be au naturel, even if the mix of the various signal levels is not always great.
December 10, 2014 - 9:29pm

#73

TN Dead

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pono is a player

Is it possible that a pono player has better components than another portable playback device ? It was designed with this in mind.Same files, different players, different playback results.
December 10, 2014 - 7:04pm

#74

wjonjd

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FourWinds - my apologies

I did a comparison of the CD version of Wake Up To Find Out (actually the one from the full box) and the 24/192 download. I used the first 15 seconds of Estimated Prophet (the software I'm using only lets you start at the beginning, and I didn't take the time to lop off an equal amount from the beginning of both files in order to get to the middle of the file). I chose Estimated Prophet because it begins right away having been transitioned into from the Eyes. The results: The average levels (left/right) on the CD are -17.42db/-16.19db the average levels on the HD file are -17.96db/-16.72 the peak level on the CD is -10db the peak level on the HD file is -15db The Stereo Balance on the CD is -2.14db (diff between L and R) The Stereo Balance on the HD file is -2.43db And the peak frequency on the CD is 14,685Hz the peak frequency on the HD file is 14,109Hz (that's a surprise) So, it appears that they HAVE INDEED applied some dynamic range compression to the CD version, although not a lot. I have NO IDEA why they wouldn't just convert the 24/192 file to 16/44.1 using noise-shaped dithering. The resulting files would be VIRTUALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE from each other. This still says nothing about the inherent equivalency to the human ears of 16/44.1 versus 24/192, but THAT'S IF THEY'RE FROM THE SAME SOURCE. My humble apologies FourWinds as you are indeed correct that they created a master for the 16-bit file that has had some amount of dynamic range compression applied to it. WHY???? Who knows. There is NO (good) reason to do this!!! The 24/192 is not better because it 24/192. It's better because they didn't apply dynamic range compression to master used for it. However, FourWinds, in your original post you wished they would just release the HD 24/192 file already!! WHY NOT wish that they convert the 24/192 to 16/44.1 and LEAVE IT ALONE to create the CD and 16/44.1 files?? That would serve the SAME purpose. And here are the file sizes for that one file: CD: 153,035kb HD: 998,784kb And, they have the same POTENTIAL for audio fidelity. Why not just wish for 16/44.1 files/CD's made directly from the 24/192's? Wouldn't that make far more sense. In any case, you were right - they're not the same. I have no idea why they chose to do this. One Man - Yes, for driving in my car (where I do a LOT of listening) files with more dynamic range compression make it much easier to hear all the music. You don't have to keep turning the volume up and down - up because you can hardly hear it and then BAM you get hit with the LOUD so you have to turn it down again. It is true that the range compression can pretty much fix that problem. Since we would never get two versions of everything with one purchase, my preference would be to get CD's/files that have NO dynamic range compression applied, and then I could apply my to create a set of files for travel (car/plane/walking, etc.)
December 10, 2014 - 6:21pm

#75

dantian

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Got to hand it to you, wjonjd

You have a lot of patience ;)
December 10, 2014 - 6:15pm

#76

One Man

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E72 Box

I'm not sure what is fatiguing anyone's ears, but I hear some kind of pervasive audio distortion in about the first half of the E72 box mixes. It clears up on one of the Paris shows. I have no idea what caused it, but it is obvious to me and I'm sure the mix engineer noticed it eventually but no one bothered to go back and fix those first mixes. It could be inherent in just those first tapes (very doubtful), some kind of A-D transfer issue (can't imagine what), something to do with the Plangent Process (again, no idea), or something else. It still bugs me that these mixes were so rushed. Thank the gods they did not do the same with the '72 Veneta show or the new Spring 90 box. Also, let's not confuse file (data) compression with dynamic range compression. Dynamic range can be severely squashed on ANY recording format if the engineer chooses to do that. The GD archival releases are generally lightly compressed compared to many commercial releases, and I'm sure that is intentional. I actually wish they had a touch more dynamic compression on them sometimes, just to make them sound less jumpy.
December 10, 2014 - 4:16pm

#77

wjonjd

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down mix process

There is no dynamic compression required when converting from 24-bit to 16-bit, and there is no reason to believe they just CHOSE to use any dynamic compression on the 16-bit file, but not on the 24-bit file. Your comment makes it clear (unless I'm mistaken, which I could be) that you believed that 16-bit is INHERENTLY more compressed than 24-bit, which is simply not the case in any way. Unless you have some reason to believe they just chose to compress the range of softest to loudest sounds on the 16-bit file and not on the 24-bit, I'd be interested to hear it. I think that's more than very very highly unlikely. Again, if you are experiencing ear fatigue from the 16-bit files, you have zero chance of improving that by buying the more expensive 24-bit ones except by placebo effect, unless they chose to reduce the dynamic range on the 16-bit files and not the 24-bit files for some reason. What possible reason do you have to suspect they would even consider going through the trouble of instituting dynamic range compression on the 16-bit files (CD's). They were NEVER going to be destined for mainstream radio play, and even if they were I don't believe Jeffrey Norman and his team do that even for releases that ARE destined for radio play. Of course, there is an easy way to answer this. Simply send DL an email to ask Jeffrey Norman (if you can't email Jeffrey Norman directly) if they compressed the dynamic range for the 16-bit release and CD's and not for the 24/192 (or 24/96) on any of their other archival releases where they have made hi-def available. I wouldn't promise my first-born, but I'd bet a lot that the answer will be no. In which case, as the links I posted point out pretty well, you will hear no difference between the two versions, nor experience a different level of ear fatigue or emotional connection - at least not due to the sound coming out of your loudspeakers. EDIT - I decided to purchase the Wake Up To Find Out hi def (24/192) download. I will rip from my CD version direct to 16-bit wav and compare them using a software audio package and should be able to easily tell if dynamic compression was used on one and not the other. I will let you know. I see no reason why they would treat the E72 release differently than the Wake Up To Find Out release as far as whether they chose to modify the dynamic range for the CD's. They both came from multi-track tape masters. Even if they didn't spend the time on the E72 releases that they did on the Wake Up To Find out release, I would still bet they treated the CD's the same in terms of how they transferred the original 24-bit files they mixed/mastered with to the 16-bit files they used to create the CD's. I will report back with the results.
December 10, 2014 - 2:58pm

#78

fourwindsblow

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Compression

If dynamic compression was used in the down mix process no further compression is needed.
December 10, 2014 - 2:26pm

#79

wjonjd

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Grammy Nomination

Yes, Congratulations to all involved. I also believe this box deserves the grammy nod - I believe it surpasses the music in the first box, and the package itself is simply exquisite (as was the first box).
December 10, 2014 - 2:21pm

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SPACEBROTHER

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Grammy Nomination

It's only fitting that a Brent era release got a Grammy nod. Congrats Bob, Phil, Mickey, Bill, Dave, Mark, Mary, Norman, Blair and everybody involved! This is the good stuff here.

John Perry Barlow

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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

Thanks to the wives...

I mentioned a week or so ago how my wife, in what I called an anniversary present, put her new favorite song (I Need a Miracle) on our 4th of July boating on the lake playlist. Last night the wife was inquiring about the Meet Up At the Movies... she asked what she was getting herself in for.. that she would go with me, but may bring her kindle to read while I watch the movie. So I went to You Tube, and put on One More Saturday Night, from the Bremen show. I said "Here, this is one song of the 80 minutes we'll go see". Then I took the kids to bathtime. I figured I'd hear her turn the video off within a minute as she got the gist of it... It played the whole time, then I said "well?" as I walked back in the den... and she said "Um, yeah that was really good!!!". we might be leaving the kindle at home. Things are looking up even further!

jayburg

love that story. Thanks!

Jayburg

Great story...its amazing how spreading kindness can lead to great things!

Speaking of box sets

I know this has been asked before, but any rumors about ever releasing the 69 box set to downloads?

Took the plunge

Well, I decided to splurge and pick up this set. What did it for me was the 24-track mixes. It is going to sound amazing. I didn't get the last spring set, but I couldn't let this one go. I think it'll be pretty good. On a side note, I think the 16-track mixes from the Europe '72 shows sound great.

Spring 1990 (The Other One) release

I just took the plunge and placed my order. This was definitely a great tour and I am sure I will greatly enjoy the music, but I gotta say the price is a bit steep. If I remember right the Europe 72 box set was about 2 times the price, but 3 times the number of shows. Anyway since demand influences price I realize I am part of the problem/equation since I did indeed place an order. I have no objection to covering costs and making a healthy profit, but $270 (including shipping and taxes) is a lot to shell out at one time/for one order. All that said I am looking forward to Sept.!

@ SpaceBro

I do hope you get your miracle box! or maybe you will be lucky and you can save enough before the boxes are all gone… seeing different thoughts on how long Spring 90 may stay in stock?

also took the plunge

After much hesitation, I decided to continue my support of all GD products. The shows are good, and its nice to have the entire tour.

Nice story JayBurg and suggestion PorcupineTree

I'm Still on the fence. Dave's video was very enticing. Still would like more info on the art for digipacks, maybe a small trailer of the products. I know downloads are coming, for a cheaper price. Any info from the informed ??

Interesting, but...

I just cannot justify spending that much. I am in the group of folks that like the smaller $100 boxes, such as the Winterland boxes. There is just no way I can justify this purchase to my wife. Family obligations prevent such big expenditures. That said, I understand many will enjoy this box set and I am exceptionally pleased that they are releasing the 3/29 show as a stand-alone unlimited edition (at least it seems unlimited). That I have already ordered. For me, I passed on the first Spring 1990 box and now this one. Oh well, the tour is represented with Dozin', Terrapin Limited and now 3/29. And those in my collection don't get much listen-- I prefer 1989 sound to 1990, so I go for those if in a later era mood. I am pretty sure, however, that 3/29 will be a regular. After the download option becomes available, I may look into that depending upon the price. My big issue with it-- timing. Now how long will we wait for the Dave's 11 announcement? Written with a smile.

Dave's Picks vs. Big Box

I don't work in marketing,granted,but wouldn't it have made more sense to make this announcement after Dave's Picks 11? It just seems like bad timing for this set-forcing the less fortunate among us to choose between things like a summer vacation rental or the pricey box set.When are they going to stop hosing us and just make the MUSIC available at a REASONABLE price,in, say plain old cardboard paper sleeves? I can't justify paying so much for something I'll probably listen to once(except for the Nassau show,which is available separately anyway.)

looking for opinions on Europe '72

Sorry that this is a little off topic. I had some money set aside for a possible box set but not $250 so I'm looking to pick up two of the Europe '72 shows (along with the new JGB release and 3-29-90). Just looking for some thoughts on what shows are particularly special and would very much like to hear from those of you who were "reliving" the tour this spring and also from Ken Goodman if you're out there. I already have 4-8-72 and Rockin' the Rein and Hundred Years Hall. The obvious choices seem to be 5-11 and 5-26 but was also thinking maybe 5-3. Any opinions will be appreciated.

rdevil

5/3/72 is a fine choice, however, the 5/4/72 Dark Star is epic

24-track

Rumor has it Jack Bauer was brought in to TRI to help out Jeffrey Norman with the 24. Damn it Chole ! ~~~~~~~~~ Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser

Artwork, co$t, release date

The cost here did give me pause, although my order's in. Will have to pinch a bit to collect the bux for the CC monsters, for sure. I agree with whoever said it first that less-expensive boxes with less ephemera would be more appealing. I do like nice artwork for the covers, like those coming out on this round of DaPs, but I usually don't look at the replica tickets/passes and other little bits even once. If cutting those knickknacks from future releases can save me a few dollars, I'd be happy. As for the art, I'm puzzling over the moving image on the dead.net homepage. The skeleton rides on, with venue/date info scrolling behind. I look at Hartford and see a CN state flag, I think, and then see the Cap Center, with--wait, what's that flag? It certainly isn't Maryland or (to stretch the venue location only a little bit) DC. Curious to see if this is carried over into box decor. We obviously have the carousel horse on the front of the box, and the roses/hand for the Branford show. I'm guessing at least one digipack will have a tiger. The rest? hightimer, I also was wondering about release dates. If memory serves (it sometimes does), the box announcements used to come in early August, during the days between. That's (for both marketers and Heads, I think) a good slot in the 4-per year archival schedule of DaPs--it fills that gap after we get the August release and before the final one rolls out. Last year, I think, May 77 was announced in May, which made sense even though it departed from past practice. But a midJuly announcement for a September release of a Spring tour? I'm puzzled.

Europe '72

4/14/72...One of my favorite Dark Star's and first sets from the tour. Belongs in the discussion of top 5 shows of the tour.

rdevil

And, I forgot: With regard to the E72 box shows, I'll second the recommendations for 4 May 1972. The Dark Star disc gets more play by me than any other from the tour. And Bickershaw should be mentioned, too. Of course, maybe some people don't like to have their brains melted in just exactly this way, so my advice is to listen before you buy, if you can manage it.

rdevil

In my opinion, 5/26 is a must. If cash is that tight, you might want to go with just one show knowing that next year will likely produce many releases we all want.

where is post number one?

Can anyone see it? Maybe it's just me.

rdevil

5/11/72 and 5/3/72 are both must-haves. I think most of the great stuff from 5/26/72 is already on Europe 72 and you probably know it by heart like I do. 5/3/72 has such a great Other One where Jerry sits back and lets Bobby and Keith take it where they want to go, especially the first jam. An under-rated show is 4/16/72, where every song, every note is just perfect. I find myself going to that show more than any other.

wilfred

I'm not seeing any missing posts; PM me if you're still having the issue....

rdevil '72

rdevil: 5/10/72 is an unsung MONSTER. Amsterdam... brilliantly played, and one of the longest gigs of the tour.

Is Everybody

HAPPY! Also if it has not happened yet would some well heeled (healed) Dead Head please buy Spacebro this box set. Hello Patagonia.

3-29-90

3-29-90 show is available for pre-order individually!

At least I have a choice!!!

OK, I won't pan late era Grateful Dead, I'm just an old fart that fell in love with this band when Pigpen and TC were on board. The 70's Dead had their highlights and so did the early 80's. The gems later on are rare. This Spring 1990 tour seems to be one of those gems, but I'm going to hold off and get the digital downloads when they are available. Save a few bucks and get the music but I don't need any cutesy fake tickets, mini posters, or more essays about everything you ever wanted to know about your favorite band. I just want to listen to the music. I'll listen in my car, at home, at work, at the store, and everywhere else I listen to music and I only need the digital files to do that. So "Thank You" Rhino, Dave, Billy, Mickey, Phil, Bob, Jerry, Vince, Brent, Keith, Donna, Tom, Ron and anyone else that has made the Grateful Dead my favorite band.

concertgebouw 05/10/72

HELL YESmy favorite E72 show, without question all time best GSET super spacy PITB then you get this: Truckin' Drums The Other One Bobby McGee The Other One Wharf Rat then a NFA/GDTRFB/NFA sandwich for the ages, with pigpen rapping at the end

Strider 88

First of all, as many others have stated, thank you Dave/Rhino/any anyone else involved in the decision to release 3/29 separately. Many, many of us are very appreciative. How ironic. The very person who desperately clamored for this release, cannot even afford to purchase it. Believe me, I struggled long and hard with whether or not to purchase this release for space (a fellow head I am told), despite all the vitriol direct at myself and other "early Dead" fans. A box set that I will not even purchase myself. I have a few suggestions: 1) Let the "Foxy economic savant" make the purchase for his fellow 90s buddy, as strider 88 suggests. 2) Contact Dan Gilbert to see if he is willing to help out. Dan, space, pfox and a few others on this board, all seem respond in the same manner when they don't get their way. 3) Kickstarter.com. Kickstarter is the world's largest funding platform for creative projects. Clearly the Grateful Dead in the spring of 1990 were creative. 4) I am willing to fund a portion of the box set purchase. However, I refuse to spend more than I did myself, the 3/29 show alone. All you need is ten other folks to do the same and you have your precious box set. Mr. Jack Straw, dantian, and others, you should all help out. Space, contact whoever you need in order to figure out how to get this done. Good luck and please keep us posted. I sincerely hope you obtain this release. AJS

I salute Angry Jack Straw....

I've read these boards since joining not long ago. I might be wrong, but am I correct that you and Spacebrother have had some different thoughts on music? And yet, you offer to assist Space in his quest to get a copy of this box.I am moved by that coolness and would like to offer a Jackson ($20) toward this worthy and very noble expression of what this place is about! Please PM me with the address to send the note to. I have no idea who Spacebrother is, and frankly it doesn't matter at all. Whoever will spearhead the purchase, I'm onboard. This is a good collection of people here, may you ALL have a grate weekend! Loo

Amen!

One more time :Amen! I'm on the fence right now but have part one.

Hey Now Spacebro...

Check your PM

Cap Centre

It looks like the Cap Centre is flying a Missouri flag in the Carousel? Missouri isn't Maryland, but at least it starts with "M". Almost exactly right.

wowie zowie...

i'm shocked with what i've just read...that was SUPER COOL of you AJS... forreals... cheers to you... ...count IN Ace to help out a BROTHER from SPACE!!! again, very cool offer... ♤

AJS

Well, if he's willing to post that 70s GD doesn't really smell like stinky shoes and that he can actually stay awake while listening to bicentennial Dead, I'll think about contributing.

To wait, or not to?

I really wish that it was clarified whether the digital downloads will be "available" for individual purchase, or--like the May '77 box--only as a whole. I've been waiting for "The Other" box since the first one (and all its hints of a sequel)....but like others, am not in an effortless financial position at this moment. I bought the Europe '72 box--which I adore but wouldn't have shelled out for--thinking that was my only opportunity for that music. If the digital downloads will only be a buy-all bundle, I'd much prefer the book & box. If individuals were offered, I'd still much prefer the book & box but would surely bite my wallet and start with merely the Landover, Copps, & Brandford shows. Then perhaps others later (3/18, 3/25 & 4/03 all look awesome). I'm one who LOVES the live 2-track mixes on Spring '90 and wouldn't trade them; they sound exactly like the shows did, sparkling with live energy. But having the other side of the coin for Volume 2 is the best of both. So we'll see. I could see this thing taking awhile to sell out...but I could also see it sold out by Monday morning. My magic eight-ball is cloudy.... No way it'll last as long as May '77, though. What will I decide? And why should anyone else care as I think out loud...? But thanks for indulging me. And thanks, David, for this release. Guaranteed awesome....desire not lacking here. As for skipping Brent songs ~ I'll assume that's 'cause the two Great Blow Aways (Landover & Knick) are already released, and that you're not counting Hey Pocky Way as a Brent song.......

3/28 Cumberland > The Weight

For those on the fence, check out moments like 3/28/90 2nd set Cumberland into The Weight (first time played) We, "the crowd" go nuts !Listening to a nice matrix of that set now. Brent's vocals and B3 playing are cookin' in the following Hey Pocky Way.Jerry's playing is strong as well. These shows are every bit as interesting as those selected for Vol.1 and unlike the 2 track mixes, you will hear everything and everyone. Including Us.

Angry Jack Straw

Same here, I'll be ordering the Branford show a la carte, as '90 otherwise is not really my thing (big surprise, right?) It's great that they're releasing that as a stand alone so that those who don't want the complete box aren't left out. I would be willing to donate $20 to the Spacebrother cause. It would really be a shame if he couldn't get this box, after all he's been through, and put us through for that matter ;) I did congratulate him in an earlier post on the news of his dream release, and gave him some positive words of encouragement, but he didn't respond. Whatever, I'm not holding a grudge, and would be happy to help a brother out. Someone's just got to let me know how and where (I'm thinking Paypal would be easiest), but I'm not organizing this thing.

blow me!

i'm not even sure if i'm going to buy this box set. sure i have the money to get it, but at some point you have to ask yourself if its really worth it, so the notion that i'd just send someone who i don't even know a $275 gift is a bit ludicrous.

Spacebrother

Really check your pm. From what I read you're ready to order the thingy...

Keeping the powder dry

Despite my earlier post I have been wavering a bit and wondering if I should. But in the end the deciding factor in not going for this one is that next year is anniversary year and there are bound to be some spectacular (and spectacularly expensive) releases then.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

With all taxes and shipping costs to Germany I have to pay 380 bugs. I’m definitely pissed off.

3/29/90

Just pre-ordered the stand-alone 3/29/90 show. This one contains my very favorite piece of Grateful Dead music EVER in that "Eyes of the World." I've had a soundboard of that show for awhile, but it'll be nice to hear an official 24-track release. Couldn't swing the money for the whole box, but I'm thrilled David and the powers that be decided to release this one on its own. THANKS x 1,000,000!

Overwhelmed and Speechless

The generosity here is amazing and a blessing. This truly great gesture has really opened my eyes. I haven't seen this level of kindness in quite a while and I wish I had a more eloquent way to express my gratitude and appreciation, and especially to those here who I haven't always seen eye to eye with who have stepped up and still show so much generosity. I really am at a loss for words. Thank you!

Sign me up

I'll also be happy to donate to the Spacebrother cause if someone sets it up. This is a pricy tour. Between the two 90s boxes, you have 14 shows over 41 discs at a combined price of $440.00 plus tax and shipping. Compare that to the 22 shows on 73 discs that comprised the Europe '72 box. That one cost $450.00 and, if I remember correctly, the shipping was free.

It is nice to see some good

It is nice to see some good old fashioned generosity on this site and some helping hands. I don't think I will buy the whole physical box. Will definitely pick up 3/29 when it hits my local record store. I've heard additional calls like mine on day one to let the folks know what the download options are going to be. Not sure why this is so difficult for TPTB but my original hunch stands. They want to sell all the physical sets. And they will. It was the cool thing to do to complete the tour with a second box and I give all involved their due props. This tour was shortly before I started listening to the band, about two to three months before. It was a great time to become a fan and it was before 1991, which I believe IMHO to be the last peak year of the Band. To quote the site "For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor." This box set is also the second largest and expensive box to date if I'm correct. I hope this is it for boxes of this size for awhile. However, with the 50th coming next year I'm going to start saving now because I'm sure they are going to release more stuff than normal. I'd expect the cost of DaP to increase as well next year. Peace.

Just Makin' Mischief

Just makin' it!!

I got $30 for the bro

on one conditionwhen the next Keith/Donna release comes out, no bitching deal? If so then sign me up

@Star Dark

So it's a matter of days then...

@Wilfed

I don't know. Just makin' mischief. Isn't this FUN!!!

how to fund Spacebrothers box

Would it just be the easiest thing to do , to get the $ directly to the Bro? My suggestion would be this. If you wanna contribute then PM Spacebrother and find out how to get the funds to him. If somebody else has a better or easier way please post it. As of now.......SPACEBROTHER PM ME WITH A SNAILMAIL ADDRESS AS MY CONTRIBUTION WILL BE ON ITS WAY ONCE YOU DO! For the rest of ya'll enjoy your weekend and smile, smile, smile........

Spacebrother

Jack Staw--Angry and Mr. Very moving sentiments, especially considering the pounding you have taken. At first, I thought it must be a joke. The guy who screamed the loudest about this type of release, who blasted me for not supporting the band by buying everying when I expressed a preference for 60s and 70s, could not possibly be saying he was not buying it. I told Spacebrother I loved the early '80s, had seen many shows from '88-'95, had bought a few later day releases, and didn't get the first '90s set but I did buy it for a Dead Head dear friend who was up against it but so cherished that tour that I could not see him go without because times got rough. I was called a jerk and banished by the brother from another space. Like many of you philosophers I am moved by gratitude and can forget hostilities. If somehow has a Paypal fund set up let me know I will donate. I cannot imagine the sorrow if I had not been able to get Europe '72 or May '77 or all these subscriptions. Here's to better vibes.

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