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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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December 11, 2014 - 7:57am

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wjonjd

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One Man - Peaks

Not really, no. When dynamic range compression is applied, not only do they reduce the difference between the loudest and softest amplitudes, they also then have room to increase the amplitude over the entire range, so that at a given volume setting on your volume knob the volume of the music is louder than it would have been - the loudest sound is louder, the softest sound is louder, and the average sound is louder, than it would have been compared to the same signals prior to dynamic compression and raising the amplitude. This is why dynamic range compression is important in the "loudness wars" in commercial releases for radio. They compress the range, and then have room to make the whole range louder without going over peak and clipping. When you look at the visual representation of the sound from the HD file compared to the 16-bit file, the HD file is "smaller" from top to bottom - it is not as loud, but if you were to analyze it, you would find that the DIFFERENCE between the highest peaks and smallest peaks are, relative to each other, greater. So, while the -10db peak of the CD is louder than the -15db peak of the HD file, it is the CD that has had dynamic range compression applied so that they can then raise the amplitude of the entire signal by some percentage, making the peak volume of the CD louder than the peak volume of the HD file (and the average, and the softest sound as well). When the dynamic range compression is applied the DIFFERENCES between the amplitudes of loud and soft are made smaller - the percentage change is not the same across the spectrum of amplitudes, as the "average" amplitude will not have a change applied (that's a simplification, not exact, and also I'm not sure if it would be the mean or the median or some other midway point that remains unchanged). When they subsequently make the entire signal louder, the amplitude increase is percentage-wise the same across the board. THAT transformation DOES raise the average amplitude. Does that make sense? Obviously, none of this is inherent to either 16-bit or HD 24-bit. It could be applied to either. For some reason they apply it to the 16-bit file, probably because a lot of people don't like it when a CD seems like the volume is too low compared to other CD's they have. In other words, I expect they have to cater to consumer expectations.
December 11, 2014 - 2:59am

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One Man

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Peaks

Isn't a peak of -15 dB lower than -10 dB? Doesn't that suggest the HD file is more compressed than the CD? Actually, they probably both have some amount of light compression on them because that's just how it's typically done in the world. It's bizarre that one would be that different from the other. You can hear as little as 1 dB, maybe even less. The first S90 box had lots of audible compression, at least on the individual tracks. It sounds way too smooth to be au naturel, even if the mix of the various signal levels is not always great.
December 10, 2014 - 9:29pm

#73

TN Dead

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pono is a player

Is it possible that a pono player has better components than another portable playback device ? It was designed with this in mind.Same files, different players, different playback results.
December 10, 2014 - 7:04pm

#74

wjonjd

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FourWinds - my apologies

I did a comparison of the CD version of Wake Up To Find Out (actually the one from the full box) and the 24/192 download. I used the first 15 seconds of Estimated Prophet (the software I'm using only lets you start at the beginning, and I didn't take the time to lop off an equal amount from the beginning of both files in order to get to the middle of the file). I chose Estimated Prophet because it begins right away having been transitioned into from the Eyes. The results: The average levels (left/right) on the CD are -17.42db/-16.19db the average levels on the HD file are -17.96db/-16.72 the peak level on the CD is -10db the peak level on the HD file is -15db The Stereo Balance on the CD is -2.14db (diff between L and R) The Stereo Balance on the HD file is -2.43db And the peak frequency on the CD is 14,685Hz the peak frequency on the HD file is 14,109Hz (that's a surprise) So, it appears that they HAVE INDEED applied some dynamic range compression to the CD version, although not a lot. I have NO IDEA why they wouldn't just convert the 24/192 file to 16/44.1 using noise-shaped dithering. The resulting files would be VIRTUALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE from each other. This still says nothing about the inherent equivalency to the human ears of 16/44.1 versus 24/192, but THAT'S IF THEY'RE FROM THE SAME SOURCE. My humble apologies FourWinds as you are indeed correct that they created a master for the 16-bit file that has had some amount of dynamic range compression applied to it. WHY???? Who knows. There is NO (good) reason to do this!!! The 24/192 is not better because it 24/192. It's better because they didn't apply dynamic range compression to master used for it. However, FourWinds, in your original post you wished they would just release the HD 24/192 file already!! WHY NOT wish that they convert the 24/192 to 16/44.1 and LEAVE IT ALONE to create the CD and 16/44.1 files?? That would serve the SAME purpose. And here are the file sizes for that one file: CD: 153,035kb HD: 998,784kb And, they have the same POTENTIAL for audio fidelity. Why not just wish for 16/44.1 files/CD's made directly from the 24/192's? Wouldn't that make far more sense. In any case, you were right - they're not the same. I have no idea why they chose to do this. One Man - Yes, for driving in my car (where I do a LOT of listening) files with more dynamic range compression make it much easier to hear all the music. You don't have to keep turning the volume up and down - up because you can hardly hear it and then BAM you get hit with the LOUD so you have to turn it down again. It is true that the range compression can pretty much fix that problem. Since we would never get two versions of everything with one purchase, my preference would be to get CD's/files that have NO dynamic range compression applied, and then I could apply my to create a set of files for travel (car/plane/walking, etc.)
December 10, 2014 - 6:21pm

#75

dantian

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Got to hand it to you, wjonjd

You have a lot of patience ;)
December 10, 2014 - 6:15pm

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One Man

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E72 Box

I'm not sure what is fatiguing anyone's ears, but I hear some kind of pervasive audio distortion in about the first half of the E72 box mixes. It clears up on one of the Paris shows. I have no idea what caused it, but it is obvious to me and I'm sure the mix engineer noticed it eventually but no one bothered to go back and fix those first mixes. It could be inherent in just those first tapes (very doubtful), some kind of A-D transfer issue (can't imagine what), something to do with the Plangent Process (again, no idea), or something else. It still bugs me that these mixes were so rushed. Thank the gods they did not do the same with the '72 Veneta show or the new Spring 90 box. Also, let's not confuse file (data) compression with dynamic range compression. Dynamic range can be severely squashed on ANY recording format if the engineer chooses to do that. The GD archival releases are generally lightly compressed compared to many commercial releases, and I'm sure that is intentional. I actually wish they had a touch more dynamic compression on them sometimes, just to make them sound less jumpy.
December 10, 2014 - 4:16pm

#77

wjonjd

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down mix process

There is no dynamic compression required when converting from 24-bit to 16-bit, and there is no reason to believe they just CHOSE to use any dynamic compression on the 16-bit file, but not on the 24-bit file. Your comment makes it clear (unless I'm mistaken, which I could be) that you believed that 16-bit is INHERENTLY more compressed than 24-bit, which is simply not the case in any way. Unless you have some reason to believe they just chose to compress the range of softest to loudest sounds on the 16-bit file and not on the 24-bit, I'd be interested to hear it. I think that's more than very very highly unlikely. Again, if you are experiencing ear fatigue from the 16-bit files, you have zero chance of improving that by buying the more expensive 24-bit ones except by placebo effect, unless they chose to reduce the dynamic range on the 16-bit files and not the 24-bit files for some reason. What possible reason do you have to suspect they would even consider going through the trouble of instituting dynamic range compression on the 16-bit files (CD's). They were NEVER going to be destined for mainstream radio play, and even if they were I don't believe Jeffrey Norman and his team do that even for releases that ARE destined for radio play. Of course, there is an easy way to answer this. Simply send DL an email to ask Jeffrey Norman (if you can't email Jeffrey Norman directly) if they compressed the dynamic range for the 16-bit release and CD's and not for the 24/192 (or 24/96) on any of their other archival releases where they have made hi-def available. I wouldn't promise my first-born, but I'd bet a lot that the answer will be no. In which case, as the links I posted point out pretty well, you will hear no difference between the two versions, nor experience a different level of ear fatigue or emotional connection - at least not due to the sound coming out of your loudspeakers. EDIT - I decided to purchase the Wake Up To Find Out hi def (24/192) download. I will rip from my CD version direct to 16-bit wav and compare them using a software audio package and should be able to easily tell if dynamic compression was used on one and not the other. I will let you know. I see no reason why they would treat the E72 release differently than the Wake Up To Find Out release as far as whether they chose to modify the dynamic range for the CD's. They both came from multi-track tape masters. Even if they didn't spend the time on the E72 releases that they did on the Wake Up To Find out release, I would still bet they treated the CD's the same in terms of how they transferred the original 24-bit files they mixed/mastered with to the 16-bit files they used to create the CD's. I will report back with the results.
December 10, 2014 - 2:58pm

#78

fourwindsblow

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Compression

If dynamic compression was used in the down mix process no further compression is needed.
December 10, 2014 - 2:26pm

#79

wjonjd

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Grammy Nomination

Yes, Congratulations to all involved. I also believe this box deserves the grammy nod - I believe it surpasses the music in the first box, and the package itself is simply exquisite (as was the first box).
December 10, 2014 - 2:21pm

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SPACEBROTHER

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Grammy Nomination

It's only fitting that a Brent era release got a Grammy nod. Congrats Bob, Phil, Mickey, Bill, Dave, Mark, Mary, Norman, Blair and everybody involved! This is the good stuff here.

John Perry Barlow

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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

sale out

I bet this sale's out in a week two at tops

New Spring 1990 Box

This was ordered immediately!! Here's hoping 6-30-85 or 7-1-85 for Dave's Picks 11!! Thank you Dave & the powers that be!!

3-24-90 how to complete the show

for the compiler /completionist in all of us.. if you want full 3/24/90 show.... Dozin at Knick has entire second set on disc 2 and 3. And Walkin Blues on Disc 1 "Playing in the Band" (Hunter, Hart, Weir) – 10:08 > "Uncle John's Band" (Hunter, Garcia) – 10:01 > "Lady With A Fan" (Hunter, Garcia) – 6:35 > "Terrapin Station" (Hunter, Garcia) – 6:45 > "Mud Love Buddy Jam" (Grateful Dead) – 7:53 > "Drums" (Hart, Kreutzman) – 9:41 > "Space" (Garcia, Lesh, Weir) – 9:39 Disc 3 "Space" (Garcia, Lesh, Weir) – 1:03 > "The Wheel" (Hunter, Garcia) – 4:45 > "All Along the Watchtower" (Dylan) – 7:45 > "Stella Blue" (Hunter, Garcia) – 8:32 > "Not Fade Away" (Holly, Petty) – 7:24 "We Bid You Goodnight" (trad., arr. Grateful Dead) – 2:21 Spring 90 first box on the end of 3/26/90 CD 3 Bonus Tracks From 3/24/90 Albany ( 1st set) 7. Let The Good Times Roll> [4:01] 8. Help On The Way> [4:05] 9. Slipknot!> [3:50] 10. Franklin's Tower [8:04] 11. Loser [7:30] 12. Tennessee Jed [7:53] and the final 2 tracks: Desolation Row on "Postcards from the hanging" One More Saturday Night is on "Without a net" make a itunes play list and burn it down....

smart

Smart and thoughtful to offer 3/29 separately. I shall get that, but this is the first box set I am going to give a miss..I have only listened to Spring 90 once and I need to start saving for the 2015 treasure trove. Happy though for all those who are looking forward to this one.

I'm in

I wonder what they are going to do in 2015 to top this.

at this point, I'm going to pass.

Love Spring '90. Bought the first box. In fact, I own every GD release. This is too much money for second-tier shows. I'll grab the 3/29/90 release though.

A conscionable opt-out!

It's been so long since I haven't purchased an official GOGD release that the omission seems counter-intuitive! Yet, the timing and nature of this set are budgetarily fortuitous, especially with conventional anticipation of some extraordinary debuts incident to the impending big L (five-oh)! To those ordering, enjoy!/Kate

I'm out and in...

I'm out. My box budget ends at $199.99 This looks grate though and I know I will regret not getting the physical copy. Definitely going to grab 3/29/90 though. Looks like an awesome show! Would be nice if they offer the digital downloads at some point. I bet they will.

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huh? dancingbear.dk--

3/30/90 is on the first Spring 1990 box set.

Sellout...

My guess is it sells out in 2 days.If Thelma sold out in 2 days, this won't take as long... considering it's 5000 less copies. Even at the higher price.

No way this sells out in 2 days, brianhahne

The first Spring Box was also 9,000 copies, was cheaper, and frankly, contained better shows. It took over 4 weeks to sell out, if I remember correctly.

Pass on "The Other One"

I have the 1st Spring 1990 box, I have listened to every show about 6 times over the course of 13 months, lost interest, repacked everything. Almost ready to sell it, a definitely maybe, perhaps. The Dozin' At The Knick, released in 1996, is good enough for me. I also said here on dead.net, that if the rest of Spring 1990 Tour would be released, I'd wouldn't buy it. Do I really need every Grateful Dead show? I already have a fine copy of 3/29/90. I have better things to do with $250USD or what ever the price is with shipping costs.For those who have pre-ordered this set, fine, I KNOW that you enjoy it.

Duh WW...

Note to self. Duh WW read the description. Digital is going to be available on release date. Cool.

3/24/90

Where's "Walkin Blues"?..It looks like this song cant be found..Has it ever been released?

@ Born Cross Eyed...

...check you PMs, please.(love that screen name, btw!)

Paradox Waits

Today begins the countdown for the Spring 77 Conundrum

If 3/29/90 isn't limited

If 3/29/90 isn't limited edition why would anyone pre-order and pay the shipping? I ordered limited SSDD the night of MUAM last year because I thought that was it. Next thing you know the show is in every store for sale. Didn't need the limited with bells and whistles just the music. Didn't know otherwise so I paid more for it and shipping. Still spicy.

be thankful for little things

"3/24/90Where's "Walkin Blues"?..It looks like this song cant be found..Has it ever been released?" that's just rhino showing a spot of mercy to the fans...

Gonna pass

Just can't spend that kind of money. I hope they go back to more reasonably priced box sets. I'm also not a big fan of 90's Dead so it's not a major blow to me. If it had been a 70's or early 80's box it would really suck as I would love to buy but it's just too pricey. I'm happy for those scooping this up, though. Hope you guys enjoy it. I thought selling the Marsalis show on it's own was a nice touch but not something I'm interested in myself. Still going to grab JGB this up coming week, though. Can't miss out on that.

"Walkin' Blues" 3/24/90?

It can be found on "Dozin' At The Knick" Disc 1.

Walkin' Blues...

Unless I'm mistaken, is on Dozin'. Long live the Queen.

Sellout...

I would be willing to bet this doesn't sell out so fast. Other than the Branford show, these are the shows they left off the first box. Branford, I am sure, required negotiations with his business manager. But other than that, they chose the shows they thought were the best. These are the ones they left off. If they had planned on releasing the whole tour, they likely would have released the first half of the tour in one box, and the second half of the tour in another box. Secondly, they are selling unlimited digital downloads. This will diminish demand for the box and leave those who like limited editions and those who want the book and replica tickets. The good news is that if they can sell this out in two days, all those clamoring for '90s releases will get their wish going forward.

How do you think these releases sound?

Just curious as to your thoughts, but I thought the mix on the first Spring '90 box set was weak. I find this odd since "Without A Net" is one of the best live recordings I think I've ever heard, and these releases are culled from the same material. When I go back and listen to these shows, I prefer Healy's soundboard mix over the official releases. They're warmer, better balanced and not nearly as harsh and tinny. Jerry is more up front (vocals and guitar), each band member's placement in the mix is reflective of their position on stage, just the right amount of reverb to make it feel alive. I don't know, maybe I'm crazy. These releases have been normalized, so they're definitely louder but lack dynamic range. Anyhow, I'd like to hear what others are thinking about the way these "recent" shows are being mixed down. For me, I'm opting out and sticking with my SBD -> CASS -> DAT -> CD, I think they're mixed better. Chime in. JWB

@ angry jack straw

done and done. Thanks and Peace.

Vol 1 vs Vol 2

Spring '90 Volume One is from the two-track tapes that were mixed live by Cutler. Volume Two is mixed by Norman from the 24 track tapes. There should be little comparison in terms of the quality between Vol 1 and 2. Without A Net is mixed from the multi-track tapes, just like Volume 2 is.

Mix

I didn't get the first volume since I wasn't thrilled with the sound. It's good to know this will sound different.

Card Hit

I am in - VERY EXCITED, don't really care what the next DAP is at this point just got 8 shows of my favorite dead era - Space Bro I am sure is happy as a pig in Sh#t right now! I used my debit card and the charge is on there now, does anyone if they take the funds out now or when it ships?

I got mine

This is my favorite Dead and the time period that got my attention. Gonna love hearing it!

Mix

Jayburg, Without a Net was mixed from multi-track tapes. The (first) Spring 1990 box was not. It was mastered from live-to-2-track mixes and it definitely suffers.

Wow - i'm super stocked

I've never heard half these shows, so its going to be an exciting September in Grateful Dead land! And....there is also a new JGB album coming out from their tour in '78 - with Keith and Donna. Very exciting stuff. Wish the first box set was mastered from the 24 bit analog rather than the 2 channel mix. Can't wait to hear the upgrade!

review of my 1st listen to Estimated...

sonically speaking, of course, we all know it kills...anyways... during Jerry's 1st solo you notice the perfect balance between Weir's awesome rhythm playing in the left channel & Garcia in the right, playing his usual groovin' subtle, envelope-filtery tone solo... (the drums & keys ARE NOT OBNOXIOUSLY LOUD like the Boxset 90 #1 mixes are...) Brent kinda floats in the middle, as does Branford, who when he re-enters, he sounds amazing, mixed loud, i'd say, but not too loud, as he mimics the lines Brent is playing... sooooooo freakin good... Lesh right in the pocket, could even be a tad louder (NOT complaining) AND, you can almost feel the nod Branford gave to Jerry as he ends his solo & Garcia starts right into his... or maybe Jer shot him a look sayin " yo, it's my turn!" hehehe... Brian (& others who were there) could you see the stage?? great stuff, an early b-day gift... @ Deuce, debit card, cash gone immediately, holmes... sorry to be tbobn... btw, i'm a diehard Rangers fan, but 2 of my ALLTIME FAVOURITE players are: Ray Bourque & Cam Neely gotta say, i'd love to have Milan Lulic on my Rangers, as well... ♤

Duece....

I ordered up a copy at about 12:30pm mountain time and then checked my account about a half hour later and it's already been taken. Bought & paid for.....now the happy wait. :) re:shipping-$14.95 isn't too bad for something that's probabaly gonna be pretty heavy,book rate style ya know?

Awakin Blues...

..Thanks for correcting my dumbassness folks! "I see" said the blindman! Anyway I just picked up this set. Looks great! I broke out Terrapin Ltd. and 4/2 this past weekend so this tour is still in my rotation. Hartford(3/19) and Albany(3/26) were my first shows so this tour is special for me. I remember the cold, snow and ice on those days, so much for "Spring 90!" Dave's 11 and JGB will keep us entertained until this gem arrives! Take care folks! ;)

Wow

Interesting set. I'm on the fence. I've been buying these for a while and have no problem dropping $100 on it but the $239 will fry wife (I just bought a road bike and have to lay low for a bit...) and am not 100% sure I'd be into this one that much, based on the Estimated Demo. It's interested but extra syncopated. If I only have two days, it's not gonna happen anyway as I have to pack and clean the house and fly to Oklahoma after 1/2 day @ work tomorrow and will be at my cousin's lakehouse which, according to Mrs, has sketchy internet, which would usually be cool... Hmm, there about 8:40, it sounds better, along with grabbing headphones instead of my suckazz laptop speakers. Hmmm indeed....

May I speak?

Whilst I see many comments regarding the cost as well as the shipping, I don't see any recognizing this item as a collectible and everything that goes with collectibles...the good, the bad, etc.It was and is meant to be an appreciable (in every way) artifact. Thoughts?

That makes sense, I guess I

That makes sense, I guess I just assumed that the 1st box set was from the 24 track tapes. Without a Net is beautiful, Dozin' is right up there with it. So why does the Warlocks box set suffer? According to the notes, it was mixed from the multi-track. Maybe my expectations are too high. Thanks for the response.

new release woohoo

it's great to see all the chatter. love the action here. there has not been a buzzz like this for a while.. i,m feelin' it ! love to all the familiar names i have not seen lately ..

I'm stoked...

Personally, Spring 1990 (#1) was the best box set released, as far as presentation, etc. They do a great job as far as Europe 72, May 77, Warlocks.. but Spring 1990, to me, is a family heirloom. My son will get it one day, along with the early pre-order poster. I can't wait to get this one, and the early poster as well. It will sell out, and appreciate. The Europe 72 box had individual releases, a music only option.. and yet the trunk still sells between 700 and 1000 often. It's that collectible. This one looks beautiful, and I will treasure it always... It may only get a few listens, but hey, I am a completist, and I love my collection. It's my connection to the band now that they're gone (not counting ratdog, further, pl&f, etc). This is gonna be SWEET. 24 track masters, great book, great add-ons, great packaging... I'm all over it. I was on this tour, and it shaped my life. I loved the 3/29/90 show... It was magic. I've seen the video someone posted on youtube, at least a dozen times. I've owned an audience tape, burned to cd-r, for years... but I can't WAIT to get this. THANK YOU DAVE LEMIEUX!

edit

blah. i still can't get the hang of the way these comments work. i was trying to reply to someone else's comment

Except for one show, this is not new material

I've been a Dead fan since 1965. I ordered this... then checked and canceled. If I had not already purchased the previous spring 1990 set, or if it had not previously been released, things would be different. Even if it is a new mix, it is not worth $250 for one new show. This should have been clearer in the email blast. When they start re-re-re-releasing the same material, at some point it is just crass commercialization... I would love to see the show I don't have released separately, and I would happily buy it in a minute.

Except for one show, this is not new material

THIS IS DISGUSTING!

This A*hole gives the rest of us who sell on ebay a bad name. http://www.ebay.com/itm/GRATEFUL-DEAD-SPRING-1990-THE-OTHER-ONE-8-SHOWS… Whoever this is, should be ashamed of themselves. I think it WILL appreciate to $399. But to post it for sale at that now, when it's available direct... is a disgusting act of in-human non-decency. This guy is as bad as springfromnight1989.

Technical Difficulties

Hmmm...I can't get "Estimated" to play on Rolling Stone. All I see is the soundcloud icon, and nothing happens when I click on it. Any tips?

LABaxter

I don't understand what you mean....The shows aren't the same. They're from the same run, but no shows are duplicated. For example, 3/30/90 was on Spring box #1. Spring Box #2 has 3/28/90 and 3/29/90. Also, Spring 1990 (#1) had Copps at 3/22/90. This one has 3/21/90. Spring box #1 was basically the closing night of each run/city. This is the other nights... Spring 1990 was a different mix, different masters. This is the 24 track of the other nights.... not the same nights. Why do you say it's a re-release? Check again.

After reading all the thoughts here

I decided to buy the Wake Up single show and then Dozin at the Knick CD rather than buy this new set. I have the 2CD set So Glad You Made It from the first box, and with the 2 above mentioned discs, I felt this would be a good collection from the period. The box with shipping is just more than I can dish out at the moment. Looks like a cool package with lots of good selections and coming from the 24 track source promises good sound. But I looked at some of the assessments and choose this route. Still looking for Daves 11 as I am a subscriber and plan to be in 2015 as well. Hope the vast majority are digging the news and are looking forward to all the new tunes soon to be with us.

Right!??

I was wondering how fast it would show up with the "scalpers". I checked Amazon just outta curiosity at around 3 this afternoon and saw nothing yet and was actually happily surprised.But yeah,you're right,it is disgusting.

JRF68...

Scalpers is an accurate description here for this guy.I sometimes take offense when people bash everyone who sells on ebay, b/c I feel I do it fairly and I've helped a lot of people out. But this is beyond indecent. Can I suggest we all "contact buyer" on this guy and tell him he's disgusting? :-) Like I said, I think this WILL eventually sell for $399. It will sell out, it will be worth it. But this is just.. I dunno. I can't even believe I'm seeing it.

had to do it

Debated in my head for a few hours and just placed my order. I was at the 3-29-90 and all the hartford shows, knick too. Brianhahane....thanks for posting that some jerk is already price gouging this on e-bay. That made me jump on it now. ....also its not only one new show! Tomorrow i hope for dap11 announcement.

Mix, Part Deux

Ok, I gotta admit they got me with the "mixed from multi-track" promise. Here's hoping they gave JN the full mixing budget he deserves. (I'm still sore over the E72 box rush.) We shall see... I celebrated with a blast of PITB>China Doll>UJB>Terrapin from 3/30/90, which actually sounds pretty good for live-to-2-track. And a big thanks for the standalone release of 3/29/90. Not everyone has the disposable dinero for the whole box and accoutrements, and it would have been cruel to hold that hostage as box-only. Maybe not the best move business-wise, but a bone for the masses.

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